Norwegian scientist proposes new alternative theory

[ergo]

Look what you quoted:


Thats a lot of people with blast injuries and barotrauma.

But not the majority, as you tend to insist. This was a bomb that was detonated outside the building. Should have seen a lot more, according to you.

You cant even find a single person with the most minor blast injuries associated with explosives on 911

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4JYQpZk91U&NR=1

 

[Edx]

But not the majority, as you tend to insist. This was a bomb that was detonated outside the building. Should have seen a lot more, according to you.

You debunk yourself, you provide a source that showed hundreds of people with "auditory injuries". Blast injuries includes "auditory injuries". I guess when they specify "bombing injuries" they are being even more specific than that. The reason why you'd get "auditory injuries" ie. ruptured ear drums, or just injured ear drums, is becauseof how loud a bomb is, as a truther youy dont really understand how loud bombs actually are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4JYQpZk91U&NR=1

And how many suffered any ""auditory injuries"? How can you be thrown around by the blast wave of a bomb, but not suffer the most common injury associated with an explosive?

 

[ergo]

You debunk yourself, you provide a source that showed hundreds of people with "auditory injuries". Blast injuries includes "auditory injuries". I guess when they specify "bombing injuries" they are being even more specific than that. The reason why you'd get "auditory injuries" ie. ruptured ear drums, or just injured ear drums, is becauseof how loud a bomb is, as a truther youy dont really understand how loud bombs actually are.

You don't even know what you're talking about now.

And how many suffered any ""auditory injuries"? How can you be thrown around by the blast wave of a bomb, but not suffer the most common injury associated with an explosive?

I don't know. Why don't you ask the news clip? What a stupid question.

 

[leftysergeant]

You don't even know what you're talking about now.

Your ignorance of forensic medicine is overwhelmingly obvious.

Just listening to loud music will screw up your ears. Bombs powerful enough to damage a building are far louder than the biggest honking woofer available for outdoor rock concerts.

I don't know. Why don't you ask the news clip? What a stupid question.

So you have nothing. Figures.

 

[leftysergeant]

[*]Of 491 follow-up study participants, 49% suffered auditory injuries. The highest proportion of these had been outdoors (72%) and in vehicles (67%).
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EdX, care to expound more on your theory about bomb explosions and barotrauma?

Dude, you are clearly not paying attention.

People outside suffered barotrauma in OKC. We know that that was from a bomb.

Nobody inside the basements or the stairwells suffered barotrauma from the explosions or explosion-like events they experienced.

We thus know that those events were not caused by bombs.

Were you aware that being in an enclosed space aggravates barotrauma?

 

[ergo]

Dude, you are clearly not paying attention.

People outside suffered barotrauma in OKC. We know that that was from a bomb.

Nobody inside the basements or the stairwells suffered barotrauma from the explosions or explosion-like events they experienced.

We thus know that those events were not caused by bombs.

Were you aware that being in an enclosed space aggravates barotrauma?

Being in an enclosed space with a bomb tends to aggravate death.

Barotrauma at the Murrah building occurred predominantly to those who were outside. Most of the people inside were protected from the blast wave by the building's mitigating structure. But they suffered many other injuries which are characteristic of secondary and third-order blast injuries.

These kinds of injuries are what are also described in the video I've posted.

Here's another news clip about a ground level explosion at the WTC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rIvm0GDbCQ

 

[NoahFence]

You're using real-time reports as concrete evidence?

How truthfully typical.

There were no bombs. There were plenty of explosions. This is the worst terrorist attack on US soil, probably anywhere, ever.

Stuff's gonna go "boom".

 

[Edx]

You don't even know what you're talking about now.

Really? You apparently dont know that the most common blast injury from an explosive is an "auditory injury", such as ruptured ear drums.

HUNDREDS of people in the OKC Bombing had such injuries, how many people suffered "auditory injuries" on 911 despite you guys claiming bombs were going off all over the place? How can so many people be caught in explosive blasts that you truthers claim are so powerful they are destroying heavy infastructure and yet not even suffer the most basic injury caused by an explosive? You guys even know the names and identities of these people, why has no truther tried to contact these people and ask them if they sustained any of these injuries?

I don't know. Why don't you ask the news clip? What a stupid question.

How can I ask a news clip? Are you high? You should have stopped talking after you said "I don't know".

 

[000063]

Quoting everything I already quoted, but making absolutely zero point. Interesting.

Funny, I seem to have misunderstood your point in this post. Could you clarify? I made my point already.

In other words, most of the people who died were inside the building. It's kinda hard to tell if they heard the explosion if it killed them.

That would be the point I made, leaving aside the remarks pertaining to you. I would like to further clarify that my point was that if they weren't killed outright, the victims almost certainly would've receiver hearing damage.

Incidentally, here are those numbers on the Murrah occupants. Again.

Occupants of the Alfred P. Murrah Building experienced the highest number of injuries and
deaths (Figure 3). Forty-five percent (163/361) of the building's occupants died, and 47%
(168/361) were injured, yielding a combined fatal and nonfatal injury rate of 92% (331/361).

Looks like a majority to me.

I do like how you're nitpicking about a "majority" hearing/being killed by the explosions, when even as low as, say, 10% of the people in and around the Twin Towers on 9/11 would've meant hundreds of people hurt or dead. All you've been able to find is a few compression blast injuries.

 

[catsmate]

You debunk yourself, you provide a source that showed hundreds of people with "auditory injuries". Blast injuries includes "auditory injuries". I guess when they specify "bombing injuries" they are being even more specific than that. The reason why you'd get "auditory injuries" ie. ruptured ear drums, or just injured ear drums, is becauseof how loud a bomb is, as a truther youy dont really understand how loud bombs actually are.



And how many suffered any ""auditory injuries"? How can you be thrown around by the blast wave of a bomb, but not suffer the most common injury associated with an explosive?

Not to forget longer term effects such as Blast-Related Traumatic Brain Injury; if high explosives were used there'd be a significant number of such cases.

 

[ergo]

Being in an enclosed space with a bomb will tend to cause death.

Barotrauma at the Murrah building occurred predominantly to those who were outside. Most of the people inside were protected from the blast wave by the building's mitigating structure. But they suffered many other injuries which are characteristic of secondary and third-order blast injuries.

These kinds of injuries are what are also described in the posted video.

 

[leftysergeant]

Barotrauma at the Murrah building occurred predominantly to those who were outside.

Well DUH! The freaking bomb was outside.

Most of the people inside were protected from the blast wave by the building's mitigating structure. But they suffered many other injuries which are characteristic of secondary and third-order blast injuries.

The problem was that that intervening structure on the first floor was set into motion laterally or vertically, causing immediate blunt-force trauma on the lower floors and lifting parts of the upper floors off the foundations and dropping them back down again.

The only thing that this proves is that Benton Partin is full of crap.

Had there been demolition charges inside the Murrah Building, most of the survivors would probably be stone deaf today.

 

[ergo]

The only thing that this proves is that Benton Partin is full of crap.

In what way, and of what relevance?

Had there been demolition charges inside the Murrah Building, most of the survivors would probably be stone deaf today.

The injuries sustained by the outside survivors does not suggest this. On what data do you base this claim?

 

[000063]

Being in an enclosed space with a bomb will tend to cause death.

Barotrauma at the Murrah building occurred predominantly to those who were outside.

"Outside" is generally not considered "enclosed". Incidentally, the death rate was 163/646. About 25 percent. What was the death rate from the alleged 9/11 explosives?

Most of the people inside were protected from the blast wave by the building's mitigating structure. But they suffered many other injuries which are characteristic of secondary and third-order blast injuries.

Yes, such as death.

Incidentally:

The blast destroyed or damaged 324 buildings within a sixteen-block radius, and shattered glass in 258 nearby buildings.

And Wikipedia's sources.

Did we see anything like that on 9/11?

 

[000063]

In what way, and of what relevance?

The relevance is that lefty thinks he is wrong.

The injuries sustained by the outside survivors does not suggest this. On what data do you base this claim?

Hold up, hoss. We're going to need some numbers. How many people were in the Murrah Building? How many of those people were killed? What percentage of the people in the building were killed?

 

[Max Photon]

that

Not new. Max Photon's rather comical theory had this as a centerpiece, about three years ago.

Obviously it didn't happen. Failure modes in the steel would have been unmistakably different. (/cue "all the st33l was sh!pp3d to CHINA!!11!!one!")

Ryan, thanks for noting that.