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I've seen this come up in detail a few times recently so i thought id make a point addressing it
Claim #1:
Northwoods was drafted, signed and presented, this proves the governments willingness to use false flag terror to get what it wants.
It was written up by military personnel and appointed officials, they do not hold the same responsibility to the public as elected officials do (this is why plans such as Northwoods but be approved by elected civilian officials before being carried out)
Northwoods was rejected by Kennedy, proving the unwillingness of elected officials to use false flag terror
Claim #2
Yeah, and Kennedy was killed because of it.
This is a whole other ballpark here, but suffice it to say Oswald didn't know, let alone care, about Northwoods, so i doubt it was a motive.
Furthermore, 6 months after Northwoods was drafted reconnaissance revealed Soviet missile sites in Cuba, its possible the Cuban Missile Crisis played a role in the decision not to implement Northwoods. If this is the case, it is doubtful such a decision would have garnered any reprisal against Kennedy
Claim #3
It still proves that there are people in the government willing to attack their own people to get what they want.
Apparently missing the "false" part of false flag, Northwoods was never intended to kill people (and injuries were listed as a possible "extreme" scenario)
Claim #4
Northwoods says "Casualty lists in us newspapers would cause a helful wave of national indignation." This proves they were going to kill people.
Ignoring the fact that "casualty" does not automatically mean "fatality" the only thing that quote proves is that whoever is citing it never actually read Northwoods. Here is the entire paragraph that quote comes from:
b. We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from the air or sea, or both. The presence of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The nearness to Havana or Santiago would add credibility especially to those people that might have heard the blast or have seen the fire. The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.
The "casualties" they would have listed would have been those of the "non-existent crew"
All in all, the plans proposed in Northwoods seem to go well out of their way to prevent anyone from actually being killed or injured, or even exposed to any real danger at all, here are a few more excerpts.
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(11) Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims
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6. Use of MIG type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type planes would be useful as complementary actions. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce such fact. The primary drawback to this suggestion appears to be the security risk inherent in obtaining or modifying an aircraft. However, reasonable copies of the MIG could be produced from US resources in about three months.
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8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.
a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.
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b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal.
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9. It Is possible to create an incident which will make it appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack.
Claim #1:
Northwoods was drafted, signed and presented, this proves the governments willingness to use false flag terror to get what it wants.
It was written up by military personnel and appointed officials, they do not hold the same responsibility to the public as elected officials do (this is why plans such as Northwoods but be approved by elected civilian officials before being carried out)
Northwoods was rejected by Kennedy, proving the unwillingness of elected officials to use false flag terror
Claim #2
Yeah, and Kennedy was killed because of it.
This is a whole other ballpark here, but suffice it to say Oswald didn't know, let alone care, about Northwoods, so i doubt it was a motive.
Furthermore, 6 months after Northwoods was drafted reconnaissance revealed Soviet missile sites in Cuba, its possible the Cuban Missile Crisis played a role in the decision not to implement Northwoods. If this is the case, it is doubtful such a decision would have garnered any reprisal against Kennedy
Claim #3
It still proves that there are people in the government willing to attack their own people to get what they want.
Apparently missing the "false" part of false flag, Northwoods was never intended to kill people (and injuries were listed as a possible "extreme" scenario)
Claim #4
Northwoods says "Casualty lists in us newspapers would cause a helful wave of national indignation." This proves they were going to kill people.
Ignoring the fact that "casualty" does not automatically mean "fatality" the only thing that quote proves is that whoever is citing it never actually read Northwoods. Here is the entire paragraph that quote comes from:
b. We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from the air or sea, or both. The presence of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The nearness to Havana or Santiago would add credibility especially to those people that might have heard the blast or have seen the fire. The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.
The "casualties" they would have listed would have been those of the "non-existent crew"
All in all, the plans proposed in Northwoods seem to go well out of their way to prevent anyone from actually being killed or injured, or even exposed to any real danger at all, here are a few more excerpts.
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(11) Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims
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6. Use of MIG type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type planes would be useful as complementary actions. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce such fact. The primary drawback to this suggestion appears to be the security risk inherent in obtaining or modifying an aircraft. However, reasonable copies of the MIG could be produced from US resources in about three months.
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8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.
a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.
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b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal.
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9. It Is possible to create an incident which will make it appear that Communist Cuban MIGs have destroyed a USAF aircraft over international waters in an unprovoked attack.
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