North Korea Pledges to End Nuclear Programs

Re: Re: Well that didn't take long!

BPSCG said:
YHere's our counter-proposal. Y'all want nuclear power plants? Fine. We'll build them for you on the ruins of your dismantled nuclear weapons plants.
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Here's a better idea: build a couple of plants in South Korea and just run the grid into North Korea. They get to stay alive another winter, and we get to keep the keys until such time as North and South figure things out.
 
Kodiak said:
I wonder if any of the classic JREF Bush-bashers will give grudging kudos to Bush for sticking with the 6-party talks...
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I'm not sure if I'm a classic but: full kudos; not even grudging.

A small correction: Earlier this year the US relented to a bilateral get-together. This may have jump-started the multi-lateral process, according to news reports which I will link if/when I find them. In the meantime, here's a less than optimal source.
North Korea and the United States held ice-breaking talks in the hope of resolving a 16-month standoff over Pyongyang's nuclear program.
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Ok, I was going to put this in my sig, but too many have complained that it is too long already, so I am posting it here...where it seems appropriate....enjoy:

Kim Jong Il Gives On-the-Spot Guidance to Hungnam Fertilizer Complex
Pyongyang, September 17 (KCNA) -- Kim Jong Il, general secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea and chairman of the DPRK National Defence Commission, gave on-the-spot guidance to the Hungnam Fertilizer Complex. He was greeted on the spot by Hong Song Nam, chief secretary of the South Hamgyong Provincial Committee of the WPK, Kim Phung Gi, chairman of the South Hamgyong Provincial People's Committee, and other leading officials of the province and the complex.
He first looked round the room devoted to the history of the complex. Looking back with deep emotion on the glorious course of development covered by the complex, he said that under the leadership and meticulous care of President Kim Il Sung the complex turned into the nation's reliable and giant fertilizer production base. The undying revolutionary exploits performed by the President will shine long in the history of the country, he stressed.
He went round the production processes including the compounding shop and soap shop to acquaint himself with the technological reconstruction and production at the complex.
He highly praised the workers of Hungnam for their feats, pointing out that they have massproduced fertilizers and supplied them to the agricultural front by fully displaying the revolutionary spirit of self-reliance and fortitude to overcome all sorts of hardships and trials and thus made a big contribution to developing the nation's agriculture and consolidating the independent national economy.
The officials, workers and technicians of the complex have made great progress in the modernization of the complex by satisfactorily solving knotty technological problems on their own by pooling wisdom and energies, he said, adding that their experience proves that there is nothing impossible for them when they wage in a bold and dynamic manner the drive for applying advanced science and technology with the faith and conviction that they can develop whatever ultra-modern science and technology and introduce them into their practice.
He set forth highly important tasks facing the complex, noting that the position and role of the complex are very important in bringing the nation's agriculture to a new higher plane.
Saying that in order to solve the problem of food it is necessary to actively develop agriculture and an increased supply of fertilizers is essential for making farming successful, he stressed that this heavy yet honorable task is devolved upon the workers of Hungnam.
In order to boost the production and supply of various kinds of fertilizers to the countryside it is necessary to energetically push forward the technological reconstruction aimed at equipping all the production processes with the latest facilities and intensify the work to introduce new technology, he noted, underscoring the need for the guiding officials of the complex to energetically undertake the organizational and political work to give play to the creative initiative of the producers and, at the same time, give precedence to the economic calculation and intensify the drive for economization so as to fully ensure profitability in production.; He was accompanied by Premier of the Cabinet Pak Pong Ju, Secretaries Kim Kuk Thae and Kim Ki Nam, Department Director Pak Nam Gi and First Vice Department Directors Ju Kyu Chang and Ri Jae Il of the Central Committee of the WPK.
 
headscratcher4 said:
Ok, I was going to put this in my sig, but too many have complained that it is too long already, so I am posting it here...where it seems appropriate....enjoy:

Kim Jong Il Gives On-the-Spot Guidance to Hungnam Fertilizer Complex
Pyongyang, September 17 (KCNA) -- Kim Jong Il,

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Hungnam Fertilizer Complex. (...snip...)

Kim Il Sung

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fertilizer

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fertilizers

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fertilizers

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fertilizers
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Yep, lots of "fertilizer" going on around here. What's the name of that Penn and Teller TV show again...?

I particularly liked this part:
The officials, workers and technicians of the complex have made great progress in the modernization of the complex by satisfactorily solving knotty technological problems on their own by pooling wisdom and energies, he said, adding that their experience proves that there is nothing impossible for them when they wage in a bold and dynamic manner the drive for applying advanced science and technology with the faith and conviction that they can develop whatever ultra-modern science and technology and introduce them into their practice.
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Well, now, if that's the case, they don't need the US to supply them with no stinking nuclear power plants, do they?
 
He first looked round the room devoted to the history of the complex. Looking back with deep emotion on the glorious course of development covered by the complex, he said that under the leadership and meticulous care of President Kim Il Sung the complex turned into the nation's reliable and giant fertilizer production base. The undying revolutionary exploits performed by the President will shine long in the history of the country, he stressed.

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The officials, workers and technicians of the complex have made great progress in the modernization of the complex by satisfactorily solving knotty technological problems ...
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So what are these "knotty problems" that have emerged since the Great Leader's rapture to a higher plane? Has somebody been screwing-up Heaven On Earth? Looks like. I imagine the problems are to do with non-availablity of power and raw materials, and workers fainting with hunger and falling into the machinery. The system seems to be metabolising muscle-tissue just to keep going.

But what's to be done? It's a seriously knotty problem.
 
CapelDodger said:
Has somebody been screwing-up Heaven On Earth?
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Hey, we got our moniker as "Great Satan" the old fashioned way. We eahrnnnned it.
 
Talking with crazy dictators to bring about world peace is going as well as can be expected.

North Korea accuses U.S. of plotting nuclear attack

"The ulterior intention of the United States talking about resolving the nuclear issue under the signboard of the six-party talks is as clear as daylight," the North's Rodong Sinmun newspaper said in a commentary carried by the official Korean Central News Agency. "In a word, it intends to disarm and crush us to death with nuclear weapons."
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Er... they don't exactly crush you. Should we explain to them how thermonuclear weapons actually work? Maybe they won't want them if they know....
 
Agreement on weapons founders after 24 hours
From Jane Macartney in Beijing



NORTH KOREA dismissed a deal to give up its nuclear arms programme just one day after it was struck, with a vow to keep the weapons until Washington allows for the provision of civilian atomic reactors.
The reclusive Stalinist state has backtracked before on agreements and the deal is not yet dead. Within minutes of Monday’s agreement between North and South Korea, the US, Japan, Russia and China, experts said that the document was long on words, vague on timing, and short on action.



America “should not even dream of” Pyongyang dismantling its nuclear capability before it receives light-water reactors, the North Korean Foreign Ministry said, returning to the main stumbling block during two years of talks that had appeared to achieve a breakthrough in Beijing, China, on Monday. “This is our just and consistent stand as solid as a deeply rooted rock,” the ministry said.
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London Times today.

I think that the world is just going to have to decide if these guys should have nukes or not and act accordingly. Negotiations are silly.
 
Instead of dissolving the Iraqi army we should have relocated them. "Tell ya what, guys. Take out this guy and we'll forget you ever worked for that Saddam fellow."
 
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