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North Korea Pledges to End Nuclear Programs

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North Korea has promised to give up its nuclear weapons in exchange for aid and security, in the first major breakthrough in more than two years of negotiations deadlock.

In an agreement revealed in a statement today, the United States said it would respect the North's sovereignty and not attack, a fear that Pyongyang repeatedly said was a main reason for insisting on developing an atomic bomb program.

The statement capped a week of tough negotiations in Beijing involving the two Koreas, China, Japan, Russia and the United States, which have held four rounds of talks since August 2003 aimed at persuading the North to disarm.

"This is the most important result since the six-party talks started more than two years ago," said chief Chinese envoy Wu Dawei as all six envoys rose and clapped.

According to the joint agreement, the North would renounce all nuclear weapons and programs, return to the international Non-Proliferation Treaty and allow UN weapons inspectors back into the country.

In return, the other nations agreed to "recognise" the North's demand for nuclear energy and said Pyongyang's request to have a light-water nuclear reactor for peaceful purposes would be revisited "at an appropriate time."

Agreement to move forward and meet again in November avoided the immediate possibility of Washington taking the issue to the UN Security Council to press for sanctions, a move opposed by China, the North's main backer.

North Korea has said such a step would be tantamount to war.

Of course, I expect it isn't going to be very straightforward making sure they stick to their promise.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/north...nuclear-program/2005/09/19/1126981994009.html
 
I wonder if any of the classic JREF Bush-bashers will give grudging kudos to Bush for sticking with the 6-party talks...
 
Kodiak said:
I wonder if any of the classic JREF Bush-bashers will give grudging kudos to Bush for sticking with the 6-party talks...

I will admit too not being a fan of Bush, but sticking with the talks seemed to be a rather bi-partisan, dare I say "no-brainer" plan that had no major opposition, either on the Forum or in general public discussion.

I may be wrong, and I'm going now to seach my posts to see if I have made any comments, lest I be proven an idiot (which happens frequently enough in real life without my help) :D ;)

In regards to the OP, it appears that N. Korea is acting reasonably and logically, which always tends to worry me a bit, for what comes next from them is usually unpredictable.

I would also note that this is a "broad" agreement--and the devil is in the details.

Still, pulling their nuclear teeth is in everybody's interests--including China and especially Japan and S.Korea.

Question: If this includes addiitonal food/money/support for what may be the most hidebound and in some ways, most brutal dictatorship remaining on the planet, is that "appeasement?" And is it a good thing?

OK, off to seach my archives....
 
Kodiak said:
I wonder if any of the classic JREF Bush-bashers will give grudging kudos to Bush for sticking with the 6-party talks...
Kudos to Bush. There you have it.

Now, back to my regularly scheduled dismay and disbelief at the outrageous corruption, incompetence and profligacy of BushCo.
 
Hutch said:
I will admit too not being a fan of Bush, but sticking with the talks seemed to be a rather bi-partisan, dare I say "no-brainer" plan that had no major opposition, either on the Forum or in general public discussion.
I've seen it a lot. Bush wasn't doing enough, paying too much attention to Iraq while letting Kim "get away with it," stuff like that.

That said, I'll take the other side here. This is a clear win for Bush's approach to North Korea. Today. But maybe not tomorrow, Clinton got a deal a lot like this one and North Korea reneged. There's a little bit of happier language in this agreement, but that may turn out to be of little importance.

More, the "victory" Bush achieved appears to be making this China's problem, not ours. That was the right approach, because North Korea is dependent on China and only China had the power, absent an invasion, to convince North Korea to do anything. But that it was the right approach does not mean that it is not without risks. China increased its regional power today, at a time when they're using their economic muscle to increase their regional influence generally with countries historically considered friendly to the US. And of course China is liable to change its mind if DPRK changes its policy.

Chief US negotiator Chris Hill definitely earned a pat on the back and a round of beers today. Whether he gets the raise and a ticker tape parade remains to be seen.
 
Isn't this sort of arrangement exactly what North Korea was hoping for when it started its nuclear sabre-rattling? Seems like a no-brainer to me.

Jeremy
 
Haven't seen a complete story on it, but from what I've read it sounds like North Korea got pretty much what it wanted from the negotiations (and what it didn't get, as per normal, it will ignore and try again). If that is what Bush was intending...than Kudos to him for achieing that goal.
 
I don't like it this one bit. Sure we get to take away their nuclear weapons, but Kim and co. get to stay in power and may pull this ◊◊◊◊ another day.

Damn this non black and white world of ours.
 
a_unique_person said:
Of course, I expect it isn't going to be very straightforward making sure they stick to their promise.


Over at LGF, Charle's editorial comment was, "Anyone remember Reuters criticizing the Oslo Accords as “so far just words?”"

Which of course was a commentary on Reuters headline, N.Korea accord reached, but so far just words.
 
As most of us are doing, I will be waiting at least 48 hours for a Kim Jong 180 before analyzing it further.
 
headscratcher4 said:
Haven't seen a complete story on it, but from what I've read it sounds like North Korea got pretty much what it wanted from the negotiations (and what it didn't get, as per normal, it will ignore and try again).
How do you get that? They wanted to keep their existing nuclear weapons; they've agreed to give them up. They wanted a light-water reactor; even discussion of that has been deferred to "an appropriate time." They wanted a complete non-aggression pact; the U.S. reaffirmed their sovereignty and said we have no intention to attack or invade.

I reiterate that it's early to celebrate this, but I don't see how the deal (if it happens as envisioned) gives the DPRK pretty much what it wanted.
 
headscratcher4 said:
Haven't seen a complete story on it, but from what I've read it sounds like North Korea got pretty much what it wanted from the negotiations (and what it didn't get, as per normal, it will ignore and try again). If that is what Bush was intending...than Kudos to him for achieing that goal.

Sadly, for regime change to come to North Korea it will have to come at the hands of the Chinese. I have been getting the feeling as of late that the US is trying to create more animosity between the two through the multilateral negotiations.
 
corplinx said:
Sadly, for regime change to come to North Korea it will have to come at the hands of the Chinese. I have been getting the feeling as of late that the US is trying to create more animosity between the two through the multilateral negotiations.

Well, is that such a bad thing? N. Korea is China's neighbor and trading partner, and neither to us. Why shouldn't China assume a bit of responsibility/leverage/cojones in dealing with the xenophobes?
 
manny said:
How do you get that? They wanted to keep their existing nuclear weapons; they've agreed to give them up. They wanted a light-water reactor; even discussion of that has been deferred to "an appropriate time." They wanted a complete non-aggression pact; the U.S. reaffirmed their sovereignty and said we have no intention to attack or invade.

I reiterate that it's early to celebrate this, but I don't see how the deal (if it happens as envisioned) gives the DPRK pretty much what it wanted.

You will note that I said I hadn't seen the complete story...I accept your description now having seen it on TV and read one or two articles...the deal is sounding better than I expected and, again, to the extent that was Bush's goal, kudos to the Administration. Kim is slippery, however, and in this case the devil is leterally in the details.
 
Jocko said:
Well, is that such a bad thing? N. Korea is China's neighbor and trading partner, and neither to us. Why shouldn't China assume a bit of responsibility/leverage/cojones in dealing with the xenophobes?
The Chinese have not been uninvolved in North Korea since the Japanese got kicked out. Korea is rather more in China's face than it is in the US's, for obvious geographic reasons. North Korea was in the interesting position of being able to play the Chinese and Soviets off against each other while being able to provide a surrogate threat to the US and Japan. A unique position, I suspect.

On a more short-term note, the State Department has been cut out of the important stuff recently which leaves them with a lot of resources to apply to minor issues, like China. The North Korean regime is not going to have a gag reflex at playing the US off against China, any more than the Vietnamese regime.

The Great Game continues ...
 
Well that didn't take long!

Story:
North Korea said Tuesday it would begin dismantling its nuclear program only if the United States provides a light-water reactor for civilian power.

The demand could threaten a day-old agreement between North Korea and the five nations involved in nuclear disarmament talks.
Anyone surprised?
 
Re: Well that didn't take long!

WildCat said:
Anyone surprised?
Yeah, but I'm also surprised by the sudden changing of the seasons and the Chicago Cubs' failure to get into the World Series every year.

I figure the NK's agreed to this because they're getting hungry again - literally - and the cold weather's coming. After they've gotten through the winter, they'll throw out the inspectors and announce they've restarted their nuclear program they never halted development on.

Here's our counter-proposal. Y'all want nuclear power plants? Fine. We'll build them for you on the ruins of your dismantled nuclear weapons plants.
 

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