North Korea cancels truce

Doctor Evil said:
Must admit that I have no idea what N. Korea are doing, or even thinking. It seems I am not the only one
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Well I have been an ardent follower of North Korean politics for 20 years - And I have no clue whats going down. This is all very left field, and erratic even by North Korean standards.
 
MG1962 said:
Apparently it is only for troops stationed in South Korea

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/5397767/South-Korea-and-US-troops-raise-alert-level-over-North-Korean-threat.html

Now I can concentrate on shoving my heart back down my throat lol
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That's not enough to settle me. My Gods... DEFCON 2. That is really serious. The highest alert level ever reached was DEFCON 2, and that was during the Cuban Missile Crisis, and even then, only for Strategic Air Command. If the level for all forces in South Korea has been raised to DEFCON 2 this is far more serious than I realised.

ETA. Never mind. It looks like the alert level specifically for Korea's DMZ has been raised to the second highest level - Watchcon, they call it. DEFCON is only at 4.
 
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North Korea is a complete wild card. IMHO, it is the most evil empire on the planet and the best strategy has been to simply keep them contained. I don't know if its dementia, Kim's health, another famine looming or a bad economy, or anything else, but I feel this isn't so much a well planned strategic move than a political instability move. If there is war, it will be ugly and if Kim's regime collapses, it will also be very ugly.
 
BenBurch said:
You know that experimental missile killing laser system we own? I hope somebody thinks to send it on...

Maybe it only has a small chance of working, but that is a small chance more than we had before...
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Why? It's not like the North Koreans could actually launch the nukes they might have on rockets, they wouldn't fit.


ETA: Unless the N.Ks have some Saturn 5's I'm unaware of.
 
portlandatheist said:
If there is war, it will be ugly and if Kim's regime collapses, it will also be very ugly.
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I'd hope for regime collapse. The north will then split along the lines of most popular Kim Dumb-@#$%s sycophants and they'll have it out amongst themselves.

USA and ROK will then get to play against what's left of the winner.
 
Just thinking said:
Bury nothing. The entire country should be incinerated to the point of there being nothing left standing ... as if it never even existed. I don't wish to take the chance of any coming back as zombies.
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Yes, because, as we all know, every person born in North Korea is evil. They're born that way, and every single one, even the unborn infants, deserves to die. :rolleyes:





Do you actually bother to think before you write? :nope:
 
portlandatheist said:
If there is war, it will be ugly and if Kim's regime collapses, it will also be very ugly.
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The thing that always stick in my head - is a whole nation of good people are going to become basket cases for a generation while the world works on deprograming them of 50 years of intense mind altering propaganda
 
I wouldn't be surprised if there are elements in the North Korean Military that have drunk their own kool-aid and are looking for a way to start a shooting war.

Supposedly the North has been constructing tunnels under the DMZ for decades. They have over 10,000 artillery pieces within a few kilometers of the DMZ and are notorious for keeping enough troops forward deployed at all times that they wouldn't need an obvious mobilization to launch an invasion thus depriving US surveillance assets the ability to provide some lead time to prepare and ship US reinforcements out. If they do strike out they will be walking into prepared defenses manned by South Korean soldiers and an armored brigade from the US 2nd Infantry Division. The South Koreans are well trained and have top of the line equipment including some of the best battle tanks in the world so the North Koreans would take heavy casualties. However the North probably anticipates that and would be prepared to lose whole corps of troops in the name of attempting to overwhelm the South/US forces. Seoul would be the obvious first target and probably would be where the 82nd Airborne's ready brigade would be sent in the first hours after the initial artillery salvos. US doctrine calls for the immediate mustering and deployment of the rest of the 2nd Infantry division (which is three Stryker Brigades) along with the 10th Mountain and 25th Infantry Divisions. Prepositioned assets at Guam would immediately begin steaming north and would eventually supply two US armored brigades (probably drawn from the 1st Cavalry Division) and a Marine landing battalion.

Outside of Seoul the idea would be to trade space for time so that the totality of South Korea's forces can mobilize and US forces can begin deployment. How much time they can buy is an open question but hopefully long enough to allow the closure of heavy armor assets such as the 4th Infantry Division and 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment which would be central to any massed counterattack. Concurrent to that would be a massive amphibious operation by the USMC, likely on the coast of the Sea of Japan near the city of Wonsan.

Of course that's all speculation.
 
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wollery said:
Yes, because, as we all know, every person born in North Korea is evil. They're born that way, and every single one, even the unborn infants, deserves to die. :rolleyes:





Do you actually bother to think before you write? :nope:
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Ever hear of hyperbole? Do you really think anyone using the word zombies is 100% serious?

:nope:
 
Travis said:
I wouldn't be surprised if there are elements in the North Korean Military that have drunk their own kool-aid and are looking for a way to start a shooting war.
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I don't think they are capable of conceiving of kool-aid. The convergence of artificial flavoring, refined sugar and potable water would be a luxury of orgasmic proportions to them.
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MG1962 said:
The thing that always stick in my head - is a whole nation of good people are going to become basket cases for a generation while the world works on deprograming them of 50 years of intense mind altering propaganda
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I can see it running along some asymptotic curve over a much longer period of time ... you'll never reach 100% for a couple of generations.
 
Just thinking said:
I can see it running along some asymptotic curve over a much longer period of time ... you'll never reach 100% for a couple of generations.
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Depends.

If there is a radical and immediate regime change at some point, the effect on the population could be very similar to the abject shock in Japan after WWII and the "de-godding" of the emperor. It could be immediate and frightening and traumatic, but could take effect rather quickly when it becomes quite obvious what fools they've been.

Koreans are Koreans - when the IMF problems were rife, the population took the blame on their own shoulders to a great extent, and if the personality(collectively) of North Koreans is anywhere nearly similar to the South, they could adjust more quickly than is being imagined.
 
Just thinking said:
Ever hear of hyperbole? Do you really think anyone using the word zombies is 100% serious?
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Ever hear of emoticons, they're very useful in conveying meaning when you want to use sarcasm, hyperbole or other subtle meanings usually conveyed by tone of voice.

Particularly useful in a forum like Politics, where people do say some very silly things and mean them.

:nope:
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Oh, apparently you have. :rolleyes:
 
wollery said:
Ever hear of emoticons, they're very useful in conveying meaning when you want to use sarcasm, hyperbole or other subtle meanings usually conveyed by tone of voice.

Particularly useful in a forum like Politics, where people do say some very silly things and mean them.

Oh, apparently you have. :rolleyes:
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I thought the use of unrealistic terms would have had the equivalent effect ... it seemed to for everyone else. You might want to try and climb off that pseudo high horse of intellect you appear to be spousing through your avatar and look into context now and then.
 
Just thinking said:
I thought the use of unrealistic terms would have had the equivalent effect ... it seemed to for everyone else. You might want to try and climb off that pseudo high horse of intellect you appear to be spousing through your avatar and look into context now and then.
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Oh no! Argument by avatar! I'm devastated! What can I possibly do now??




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