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Norman Minetta

If anybody is interested, Adam Letalik, from truth911.net, has written a pretty long Mineta paper:

http://www.members.shaw.ca/truth914/mineta.html


I've just skimmed through it and although it is very long, it seems to just be repeating the usual nonsense: drills, NORAD standown, Flight 93 shot down, calls couldn't have been made etc.

Oh man, I don't know if you wear glasses while you skim through.. :o

The paper is mainly about Mineta's timeline, Cheney's account inconsistencies, testimonies that contradict his timeline etc... it seems a bit dishonest to try to discredit the paper this way...

Anyway, you guys constantly refuse to consider the arguments (not all of you though but most of you) against Cheney's testimony. Most of you have decided once and for all that the 9/11 Commission report is the bible. You're free to do so.

I suggest we wait until the end of the Libby trial because I'm not exactly sure he's willing to go down alone. he's taking Rove down with him, and possibly even Cheney. Who knows what he may reveal in the process....

Busherie
 
Anyway, you guys constantly refuse to consider the arguments (not all of you though but most of you) against Cheney's testimony. Most of you have decided once and for all that the 9/11 Commission report is the bible. You're free to do so.



Even if Cheney lied about every single thing in his statement to the commission, Mineta's testimony is still wrong. Your fundamental failure to grasp this very basic concept is telling.

-Gumboot
 
"Mineta's testimony is still wrong."

The two failures in Mineta's testimony (placing the WH evacuation around 0920 instead of 0945 ; placing the Prez departure from the school at 0920) look minor compared to Cheney's total lack of documentary evidence, contradictory accounts (sept 16th meet the press vs. later), etc etc...

But since we do not agree, forget about it.

Just a question, you mentionned somewhere in a post that there were elements showing NIST may have beenb lyinh about the WTC investigation. Do you have any information about that? Personnaly I'm not a big fan of the WTC controlled demolition theories... but you know, just checking out...
 
Still haven't bothered to read the 9/11 Commission report, Busherie? Tsk, tsk.
 
If anybody is interested, Adam Letalik, from truth911.net, has written a pretty long Mineta paper:

http://www.members.shaw.ca/truth914/mineta.html


I've just skimmed through it and although it is very long, it seems to just be repeating the usual nonsense: drills, NORAD standown, Flight 93 shot down, calls couldn't have been made etc.
Yeah, he popped over at Screw Loose Change to debate it. I started to debate him on it, but he hasn't showed up in a few days. The thread is here:
http://screwloosechange.xbehome.com/index.php?showtopic=1455&st=0

He claims he has been banned here, anyone know what his handle was?
 
Anyway, you guys constantly refuse to consider the arguments (not all of you though but most of you) against Cheney's testimony. Most of you have decided once and for all that the 9/11 Commission report is the bible. You're free to do so.
The 9/11 Commission Report is full of witness interviews, recorded conversations between air traffic controllers, the FAA, NEADS, etc., written records made on 9/11, background on the hijackers, and much more.

Your CT is based on unsupported assumptions that everything in the 9/11 Commission Report is lies, faked, planted, and the members of the Commission themselves are in on the vast conspiracy.

No contest IMHO.
 
The 9/11 Commission Report is full of witness interviews, recorded conversations between air traffic controllers, the FAA, NEADS, etc., written records made on 9/11, background on the hijackers, and much more.

Your CT is based on unsupported assumptions that everything in the 9/11 Commission Report is lies, faked, planted, and the members of the Commission themselves are in on the vast conspiracy.

No contest IMHO.


Lol, man. I love to see how much the 9/11 commission report is a bible for all of you...

It is full of witness interviews, recorder conversations etc... Obviously it is. But does that mean that what is says is entirely true?
The bible (or Kuran or Torah, whatever) are even bigger than the commission's report: they are full of stories, "interviews", etc.. No offense for believers, but that does not mean that what they say are entirely true (sic), nor that the people who wrote them didn't have political goals (like Muhamad and the conquest of Arabia for instance)...

Sorry for the comparison, but it is quite efficient IMO.

Seriously, remember Kant and the European Enlightenment. Remember the teaching : "Sapere Aude" ! "Dare to think for yourself". These days, this tends to be forgotten.

I have read some parts of the report. I have read very cautiously the part 1: "We have some planes". I have read all the related notes. I have spent hours browsing the web. The elements gathered together (testimonies, accounts, including Mineta's) indicate the official story, which has major inconsistencies, was hardly built up to cover Cheney, at his demand.

Remember, the Commission itself said they don't believe him about this part of the day (most of all, the shoot down order).

(By the way, I think the attacks were carried out by Al-Qaida. But I also think the administration refused to connect the dots it should have connected. The reason why they did this is they had a political agenda. As Rumsfeld rencently put it, 9/11 was a "blessing".)


So really, at some point, you have to ask yourself a question: have you really tried to consider the points that have been raised here? You can keep being a gardian of the temple, or you can also try and go inside to see if the divinity you believe is actually there.

Busherie
 
Lol, man. I love to see how much the 9/11 commission report is a bible for all of you...

So really, at some point, you have to ask yourself a question: have you really tried to consider the points that have been raised here? You can keep being a gardian of the temple, or you can also try and go inside to see if the divinity you believe is actually there.

Busherie

You have no facts for 9/11 CT. If you did you could present them. Now you talk of talk. Wow.

No facts so lets talk about talk. This is the best you can do when you have no facts; stick to the talk.

I see it must be a religion to you since you have no facts just faith in CT lies. Go find some facts; Hurry back!
 
The two failures in Mineta's testimony (placing the WH evacuation around 0920 instead of 0945 ; placing the Prez departure from the school at 0920) look minor compared to Cheney's total lack of documentary evidence, contradictory accounts (sept 16th meet the press vs. later), etc etc...



Er, Mineta gets a lot more than that wrong. Every single one of his times is wrong, and every assumption he made based on those incorrect times is also wrong. Sorry. Again you demonstrate your appalling reading comprehension skills.





Just a question, you mentionned somewhere in a post that there were elements showing NIST may have beenb lyinh about the WTC investigation.


Er. No I didn't.

-Gumboot
 
Lol, man. I love to see how much the 9/11 commission report is a bible for all of you...

It is full of witness interviews, recorder conversations etc... Obviously it is. But does that mean that what is says is entirely true?
The bible (or Kuran or Torah, whatever) are even bigger than the commission's report: they are full of stories, "interviews", etc.. No offense for believers, but that does not mean that what they say are entirely true (sic), nor that the people who wrote them didn't have political goals (like Muhamad and the conquest of Arabia for instance)...

Sorry for the comparison, but it is quite efficient IMO.


I don't mean to be rude, but if you claim to have researched 9/11 and come to the conclusion that the 9/11 commission report and more importantly the primary resources used by the report are comparable with The Bible in relation to accuracy and validity as a source document, you are one of three things.

A) A liar.
B) Very stupid.
C) All of the above.

I will let you decide which it is.

-Gumboot
 

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