This May 7 "Over the Hedge" comic seems apropos. Check May 8 for the denouement.
Noah's Ark found?
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You were expecting gopher wood? The hebrew words translated gopher wood can legitimately be translated differently.
Of course I'm not. Just yet another knee-jerk insult. Inarguable is inarguable and when I see inarguable you won't see me arguing. I see your positions as arguable as you see my own. You just think you cloak yourself in Scientific Truth when it could be called, arguably and at least partially, more accurately the Current State of Opinion of Scientists. There we differ.
Yes. Real close. In my headlights.
Therefore, that's where my own inquiry really began, as I was forced to add something into my picture and/or philosophy that hadn't been in there before. It was also in consideration of other miscellaneous evidences thereafter that my "belief" was additionally buttressed.
I am very confident in what I saw. However, ultimately, I have to allow for at least a 1% chance that I was somehow just plain mistaken.
As unlikely as it would be for someone to have been pulling off a remarkably well-done act in the middle of nowhere in the middle of the night, I ultimately would have to allow for this possibility also simply because it is physically possible, however unlikely.
I've read it many times and in all the major translations. No one told me. I've been looking everywhere all my life. I found what I have greatest confidence in. It is my faith.
Only because, to you, such "scrutiny" can only have one valid outcome. I disagree, so you dismiss my perspective.
No... no cognitive dissonance here, despite your wishes. Just something else to wrestle with to whatever extent that I do. It is what it is and I must reconcile, or attempt to reconcile, that which is reconcilable. If it is a real creature that currently exists, as I am still convinced, I don't see any other scenario allowing for it to have survived apart from being among Noah's Zoo. I don't think it newly came into existence apart from and since then. I don't think it is or could be an inter-dimensional paranormal being of unexplainable beastly super-intelligence. I don't think it is a Navajo shapeshifter or skinwalker. I don't think it's a demonic being. I don't think it's Cain... so there's something of a reconciliation in there that I must acknowledge at least that much. I don't claim to have all answers. And if I ever see anything that is conclusive rock-solid proof of anything, I'll never resist or deny it. I oppose no truth. Your side acts as if it is a self-evident truth that a lack of answers or lack of understanding determines the validity of your counter-assumptions and assertions. If anything, among what I do know, I know how very much I don't know and I know it's real, real close to how much you don't know either.
No worries. I'm easy... and I'm glad you're well and not too bad myself. Join the club in pouncing me here now too. I can take it.
154 do you believe all the bible stories to be literally true?
You say no-one told you the bible is the word of god: that is a lie.
Anybody who has heard of the bible knows it is claimed to be a holy book. Where did you find it to read it if you truly hadn't heard it was the word of god?
You say no-one told you the bible is the word of god: that is a lie.
Anybody who has heard of the bible knows it is claimed to be a holy book. Where did you find it to read it if you truly hadn't heard it was the word of god?
The Chinese team are hosting a talk in Hong Kong: http://www.hkticketing.com/Ticketek...922&Title=Uncovering The Legendary Noah’s Ark
Highlights will include:
‧ Unexplainable circular room
‧ Mysterious strong wood structure below tons of ice blocks
‧ Peculiar ancient tenon and nailless design
‧ Secret large and small doors
‧ Bizarre wooden staircase
Are archaeological finds usually described in such gosh darn "mysterious", "peculiar" and "bizarre" terms? What was so secret about the doors?
They will also talk about their amazing adventure, including:
．Astonishing prayer picture before they started
．Sudden consciousness after black out at great height
．Miracle of crossing a sheer volcano slope
．Cancer cells passing over the entire body
．Power of prayer that exposes the door in heaven
．Unusual rainbow surrounding the sun
．Angel from God leading all the way up the hill
I guess I am in a position to actually check this out, but the stupid may hurt and I would have to fork out money.
Highlights will include:
‧ Unexplainable circular room
‧ Mysterious strong wood structure below tons of ice blocks
‧ Peculiar ancient tenon and nailless design
‧ Secret large and small doors
‧ Bizarre wooden staircase
Are archaeological finds usually described in such gosh darn "mysterious", "peculiar" and "bizarre" terms? What was so secret about the doors?
They will also talk about their amazing adventure, including:
．Astonishing prayer picture before they started
．Sudden consciousness after black out at great height
．Miracle of crossing a sheer volcano slope
．Cancer cells passing over the entire body
．Power of prayer that exposes the door in heaven
．Unusual rainbow surrounding the sun
．Angel from God leading all the way up the hill
I guess I am in a position to actually check this out, but the stupid may hurt and I would have to fork out money.
JoeyDonuts
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I wonder if they've tried.
What's so mysterious about it? Given their gullibility so far, I'd question the origin.
Yawn.
I guess they really weren't.
Doesn't that depend on one's appreciation for structural design?
Photography is still astonishing to me, and I know how it works.
: Mmmyes. This could have only happened supernaturally.I thought every volcano was dormant in that part of the world. Oh well, they didn't say it was erupting.
I wonder how they confirmed this.
Oooh! Just like the Watcher in the Water! Or something.
Unusual? Was it being painted in the sky by Chang Kai-Shek?
Oh Come on!!! They're not even trying at this point.
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I think we all understand that, but most of us would see that as a problem. By putting your greatest confidence in your faith, you basically are saying that anything that contradcts your faith can be dismissed.
With respect to the flood, someone could point out impossibilities in the flood story all day long, but it goes against your faith, so it wouldn't be persuasive to you. You could hear the arguments, and have no counterarguments, but your real confidence would remain in your faith, and so you would simply brush off whatever arguments you've heard.
There's a similar pattern in your bigfoot sighting. "I am very confident in what I saw." The fact that an undiscovered large mammal living so close to humans would leave certain evidence behind, and no one has ever found that evidence despite intense search, is irrelevant. You saw something, and you know what you saw, so there must be some explanation.
There's a certain egotism involved. You know what you saw, so it must be true. You know what your faith tells you, via the Good Book, about the flood, so it must be true.
However, the rocks of the Earth also tell a story, even if it is more difficult to interpret than the story in Genesis. Your faith tells you that God authored the story in Genesis, but men were involved in the construction and preservation of that story. Not so with the rocks. The story of the rocks was authored by the creator of the universe alone. Perhaps you should listen to what they have to say.
1. No, he's saying that they described it as petrified AND did carbon dating to it, which seems contradictory.
2. You still haven't answered my very simple question. This makes it look like you know you are wrong and are just hoping we'll somehow forget or something. If that is the case, let me assure you that it's okay to just say "Yes, you're right, it was a dumb thing for me to say and my theory doesn't make any sense." In fact, you'll earm a lot more respect that way than by ignoring me.
Clear, insightful, and comprehensible. Nominated.
Belz...
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Indeed. In fact, if the laws of physics had been in place back during the flood, there would be nothing remaining above sea level but naked rock.
Belz...
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It is very mentally/emotionally painful to make the leap from believer to non-believer, after spending a lifetime believing(hoping) there's something to the lure of eternal life one has been promised.
The close examination of the revealed word just has to back one into the corner of abject surrender to the ego, or free one to live what life they have as best they can, because that is the way to do it, when the mind can overcome the ego.
The close examination of the revealed word just has to back one into the corner of abject surrender to the ego, or free one to live what life they have as best they can, because that is the way to do it, when the mind can overcome the ego.
You are most people every bit as much as you think I am.
Ego is shaking your fist at God, not confessing and submitting to that which is greater.
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Ego is God having a fist shaken at him knowing that he has never given you a shred of evidence for his existence and that if the evidence he has sent you was credible and he was at least physical he wouldnt be upstairs spying on you, hed be at the Hague awaiting trial for attempted genocide and crimes against humanity.
If you actaully looked at the evidence you have been presented with you would see that the crimes committed by your God make any earthly despot look like a boy scout.
Yet you don't worship them do you, why not pray to Pol Pot, or send donations to Idi Amin, if you think opressive overseers are so awesome why don't you go kiss the feet of Radislav Krstic, he at least might let you give him a reacharound.
Why havent you bothered to educate yourself on where the Bible stories actually originated, why is faith and proof oxymoronic, they weren't written by monotheistic Hebrews whos covenant with sky daddy went awry giving your lot the big chance to score my friend, they were polytheistic pagans who rejected the flood god as worthy of attention 4000 years before you were born. Perhaps they knew something you don't
perhaps that thing is that you should only bother to shake a fist at things that actually exist and have some influence over you beyond that which your own imagination and lack of any clarity have limited you to,
All this talk of wether the flood was real or not and you have missed the main point, which is of course, that if you are right and that Jehovah did send a flood that wiped out millions of innocent people, then you are worshipping not God, but Satan and he has really confused your thoughts by making you think a genocidal flood God is worthy of your worship. Gods going to welcome you is he when you finally get upstairs and try to worship him for being a murderer.
God is love they say
By your reckoning that also means that attempted genocide is love, the world needs more thinkers like you doesn't it
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I disagree. I do not think you are superior in your understanding, even though your understanding inevitably compels you to condescendingly denounce mine.Ego is God having a fist shaken at him knowing that he has never given you a shred of evidence for his existence and that if the evidence he has sent you was credible and he was at least physical he wouldnt be upstairs spying on you, hed be at the Hague awaiting trial for attempted genocide and crimes against humanity.
If you actaully looked at the evidence you have been presented with you would see that the crimes committed by your God make any earthly despot look like a boy scout.
Yet you don't worship them do you, why not pray to Pol Pot, or send donations to Idi Amin, if you think opressive overseers are so awesome why don't you go kiss the feet of Radislav Krstic, he at least might let you give him a reacharound.
Finally, why havent you bothered to educate yourself on where the Bible stories actually originated, they weren't monotheistic Hebrews whos covenant with sky daddy went awry giving your lot the big chance to score my friend, they were polytheistic pagans who rejected the flood god as worthy of attention 4000 years before you were born. Perhaps they knew something you don't
perhaps that thing is that you should only bother to shake a fist at things that actually exist and have some influence over you beyond that which your own imagination and lack of any clarity have limited you to,
"Not a shred of evidence" is absurd and only reveals your prejudice.
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One of the first lines out if his mouth was "if God did reveal himself, what would convince you"
I am not convinced by this that God has revealed himself, Denis Prager also seems convinced that God has not revealed himself or why is he saying that
and I asked you to prove to me, you, if you can't prove it to me then you obviously don't have the credible evidence to believe it yourself.
So last chance
Prove to me that your God exists
because if you can't, then I don't see what right you have to talk unsubstantiated woo and get away with it on an educational forum any more than the next man. Effectively if you fail to do this it puts your belief in God on a par with a belief in sasquatch or alien created crop circles
any time youre ready
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