Noah's Ark found?

[kerikiwi]

An article from the C.S. Monitor quoting him on the subject.

We need a rival arkaeologist to tell us this is a fake?
The Argo hunters are more likely to succeed. At least the Argo could have been real..

 

[Zep]

The dispersal of the animals from the ark to the four corners of the earth (it had four corners back then, of course) has such an obvious explanation that it should hardly need expounding: Pangaea.

I would think that an Australian, of all people, would understand that. How else do you explain the presence of English speaking people on your continent? Did they walk across the sea? The marsupials and the hedgehog were settled down as neighbors, just as the Australian and English did. Then they drifted.

The period of time between the landing of the ark and reliable historical records must have been a really amazing time to be alive. Not only were animals evolving before your very eyes, the continents were drifting so fast you could see it happen. A unicorn rancher in Atlantis goes to bed one night only to wake up the next day and find himself herding yaks in a Tibetan monastery. Such times!

And some people say parody and sarcasm is dead.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Over here, I'm trying to find out what's behind this group, Media Evangelism. They are one of the folks who run the Noah's Ark theme park, here (a pathetic and unknown place, evidently, as everyone I point it out to says, "Whaaa? You're joking, right!")

I suspect the video they produce for this, after those wonderful folks at The History Channel air it in their annual Easter Religious Fervor Festival next year, will be on display with their stuffed animals.

What I'm trying to determine is just how much of a scam they're running. They've evidently set up a "Foundation" called the Rainbow Foundation, which takes donations to help the unerprivileged. But you have to dig deeper to find out what they're assisting these underprivileged in achieving. Why, they're giving them free trips to Noah's Ark Theme Park.

The wording on the Foundation site and the Theme Park site is equally cloudy. No mention of JC or BigSkyDaddy or a hint at the G word at all. Just all sorts of fuzziness about making life meaningful. Tracking a foundation is not that easy in HK. I'm working on it. It looks like they're trying to collect money generically, but funneling it into tickets to their own park.

 

[Zep]

According to one of the men involved, this is all faked. Randall Price, who has a history of looking for the Ark, explains:

I was the archaeologist with the Chinese expedition in the summer of 2008 and was given photos of what they now are reporting to be the inside of the Ark. I and my partners invested $100,000 in this expedition (described below) which they have retained, despite their promise and our requests to return it, since it was not used for the expedition. The information given below is my opinion based on what I have seen and heard (from others who claim to have been eyewitnesses or know the exact details).

To make a long story short: this is all reported to be a fake. The photos were reputed to have been taken off site near the Black Sea, but the film footage the Chinese now have was shot on location on Mt. Ararat. In the late summer of 2008 ten Kurdish workers hired by Parasut, the guide used by the Chinese, are said to have planted large wood beams taken from an old structure in the Black Sea area (where the photos were originally taken) at the Mt. Ararat site. In the winter of 2008 a Chinese climber taken by Parasut’s men to the site saw the wood, but couldn’t get inside because of the severe weather conditions. During the summer of 2009 more wood was planted inside a cave at the site.

... our Kurdish partner in Dogubabyazit (the village at the foot of Mt. Ararat) has all of the facts about the location, the men who planted the wood, and even the truck that transported it.

Full Source

This from me, yesterday. Do I win an internet?

The fundies have been "finding" the ark on Mt Ararat for decades now. Funnily enough, whenever they are short of a bit of ready cash in the coffers, suddenly...! One of them finds "evidence" of the ark.

The next step will be to solicit funds from their gullible sheeple for yet another "scientific expedition" by their leadership to Turkey to follow up on this momentous find. That they happen to have to go there via some of the best tourist destinations in Europe - Greek islands, Turkish Adriatic coast, etc - staying at the best resorts, is entirely irrelevant.

L. Ron Hubbard showed them the way in milking the flock...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5875381&postcount=87

 

[tsig]

TalkOrigins disagrees: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH508.html

To date no one has been able to build an all wooden boat anywhere near as large as the ark. Given the number of fundamentalist Christian millionaires, one wonders why they haven't built an ark to the dimensions in the Bible to show that it would hold up against the twisting and bending forces that would occur on a vessel that large.

They can't get any gopherwood.

Some have been built but AFAIK they're all on land for some reason. Must be waiting for rain.

 

[Sherman Bay]

Maybe I missed it, but I don't think anyone has yet mentioned a 1973 Ark Hoax by a guy in Los Angeles:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ark-hoax/jammal.html

IIRC, he eventually confessed to making a "piece" of the Ark by soaking some scrap wood in soy sauce and baking it in an oven for a few hours. It looked suitably old, and since everyone knows carbon dating is unreliable, it wouldn't matter if if failed a test...

 

[154]

It would be just like God, in fact, I expect it, that He would again reveal something to the world that makes His Truth clear to all, and those that wish to deliberately and stubbornly reject despite will have no valid excuse even to themselves.

 

[Meadmaker]

It would be just like God, in fact, I expect it, that He would again reveal something to the world that makes His Truth clear to all, and those that wish to deliberately and stubbornly reject despite will have no valid excuse even to themselves.

I was kind of hoping you could help Him make the truth of the prophecies of Daniel more clear to me, but you seem to have abandoned that thread, just as it was getting interesting. Here were a group of people who said that if they saw a sign, they might believe, and you complained that we turned away from your sign when it was presented. Then, a couple of us took up the cause, and you scampered away to your next sign.

There's no point in being deliberate and stubborn in rejection. You make it so easy that no stubbornness is necessary.

 

[154]

I was kind of hoping you could help Him make the truth of the prophecies of Daniel more clear to me, but you seem to have abandoned that thread, just as it was getting interesting. Here were a group of people who said that if they saw a sign, they might believe, and you complained that we turned away from your sign when it was presented. Then, a couple of us took up the cause, and you scampered away to your next sign.

There's no point in being deliberate and stubborn in rejection. You make it so easy that no stubbornness is necessary.

If you actually care, make the effort to research it for yourself. If you don't care more than that, neither do I.

I will make my brief points for my condemnations here. Nothing more again.

 

[I Ratant]

If you actually care, make the effort to research it for yourself. If you don't care more than that, neither do I.

I will make my brief points for my condemnations here. Nothing more again.

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No, that's all right, we understand your problem.

 

[154]

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No, that's all right, we understand your problem.

No problem here. I'm good.

 

[Radrook]

TalkOrigins disagrees: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH508.html

To date no one has been able to build an all wooden boat anywhere near as large as the ark. Given the number of fundamentalist Christian millionaires, one wonders why they haven't built an ark to the dimensions in the Bible to show that it would hold up against the twisting and bending forces that would occur on a vessel that large.

Because there is no need to. The standard procedure is to buld a model. That's the way its done with airplanes as well when testing for design stabiliy. They place it in a wind tunnel and place the model under the equivalent stresses that the full version is expected to undergo. If it holds up-then the large version will also. According to the tersts done on the ark models built to equivalent specifications, it's seaworthy. My question is does anyone have the results of some other identical test but with negative resiults.?

BTW
One of the article points out that a ship was built which closely matched the arks dimensions and the designer was praised for his superb design.

 

[lionking]

If you actually care, make the effort to research it for yourself. If you don't care more than that, neither do I.

I will make my brief points for my condemnations here. Nothing more again.

Condemn away. It will make no difference to anyone here, but will make for good, and funny, reading.

 

[154]

Condemn away. It will make no difference to anyone here, but will make for good, and funny, reading.

I condemn no one, but I am roundly condemned here. Ask anyone, or just read the hostility.

 

[kerikiwi]

It would be just like God, in fact, I expect it, that He would again reveal something to the world that makes His Truth clear to all, and those that wish to deliberately and stubbornly reject despite will have no valid excuse even to themselves.

There, that's better.

 

[154]

There, that's better.

No it's not. Don't lie. It makes no difference to you.

 

[kerikiwi]

One of the article points out that a ship was built which closely matched the arks dimensions and the designer was praised for his superb design.

Praised by whom?
And did the ship have adequate accomodation and fodder storage for all the animals?

 

[Radrook]

There are a few problems with building a ship to the size of the supposed ark.
The strength of wood over such a large area.
Hogging and sagging.
Pumping the bilges.
Storing all that feed.
Mucking out.

The largest ships recovered from history are the Sun Barques from the boat burials at Khufu's Pyramid. Each around 120 feet long.

What I'm requesting are the results of a test identical to the ones which proved its seaworthiness but which proved the design unseaworthy. Can you provide that as a rebuttal against these other test results?

 

[kerikiwi]

No it's not. Don't lie. It makes no difference to you.

Lie? What lie?
Pointing out that the 'again' made no sense is a lie?
If god had already revealed his truth (sic) to the world so that it was clear to all, doing it again is redundant. If god has not already made his truth clear (as clearly he has not since so many have failed to grasp it) then 'again' is redundant.

 

[I Ratant]

A model built to the specs of the Ark, using materials scaled to suit, would have the same problems surviving tests in a water channel that the full-scale would have faced in the real world, were it possible (it wasn't) to have built such a structure with the technology of the times.
As mentioned, the boat is 4 times the length alone of the largest boats of the period, image appended, which were so flexibly constructed due to the lack of experience with naval architecture concerning larger vessels the only way they were even passably seaworthy was to place a large twisted fiber rope from bow to stern to keep the thing from breaking in half or hogging in a rough sea.
And this boat was built by those -with- experience building boats, not a bunch of herders and gardeners suddenly confronted with a need to construct a vessel that wouldn't be feasible for another 3000 years, at the very least, while using materials totally unsuited for the task, -and- to go to the corners of the earth, on foot, and collect breeding pairs of -all- the animals found, -and- bring these, and enough fodder/food (think eucalyptus and bamboo for the koala and panda, just for an example), -and- the eight people building the impossible boat and collecting the animals... it can't compute!