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Noah's Ark found?

Madouc

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You betcha! Well, according to a completely uncritical article in the SCMP anyway.

The SCMP is one of only two English language newspapers in Hong Kong, the other being the largely business-focused Standard. It is considered a dull but reputable paper. It features a fair bit of woo in the "Health and Lifetsyle" sections, as does pretty much every paper, but the amount of credulity regarding the "Naoh's Ark" find is really does set a new low.

I am unable to link to the article as their website is by subscription, but it's already making the rounds abroad: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...-on-mount-ararat/story-e6frfku0-1225858591328

The original SCMP article is longer, and mentions a few Turkish academics confirming the find.

One of the project participants, Dutch researcher Gerrit Aalten, said: "There is a tremendous amount of solid evidence that the structure found on Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey is the legendary ark of Noah." Fellow researcher, Professor Oktay Belli, an archaeologist at the University of Istanbul, ruled out the possibility of human settlement because it has never been found above 3,500 metres.

Dr Ahmet Ozbek, geologist at Kahramanmaras Sutcu Iman University in Turkey, said the low temperature and environmental condition of glacier deposits and volcanic material helped preservation at the site.
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Basically, old wood = magical boat, magical zoo, magical cataclysic flood, magical genocide.

The closest they come to balancing out the views is quoting one of the team members as saying they couldn't be absolutely sure, because no one had ever seen the ark. I think one of the writers of the article is a fundie YEC I know.

I can PM the full article as a PDF scan if anyone wants to read it in full.
 
Madouc said:
You betcha! Well, according to a completely uncritical article in the SCMP anyway.

The SCMP is one of only two English language newspapers in Hong Kong, the other being the largely business-focused Standard. It is considered a dull but reputable paper. It features a fair bit of woo in the "Health and Lifetsyle" sections, as does pretty much every paper, but the amount of credulity regarding the "Naoh's Ark" find is really does set a new low.

I am unable to link to the article as their website is by subscription, but it's already making the rounds abroad: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-new...-on-mount-ararat/story-e6frfku0-1225858591328

The original SCMP article is longer, and mentions a few Turkish academics confirming the find.




Basically, old wood = magical boat, magical zoo, magical cataclysic flood, magical genocide.

The closest they come to balancing out the views is quoting one of the team members as saying they couldn't be absolutely sure, because no one had ever seen the ark. I think one of the writers of the article is a fundie YEC I know.

I can PM the full article as a PDF scan if anyone wants to read it in full.
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Please send me the PDF. I can't locate a copy of yesterday's paper and I let my on line subscription lapse (can't stand reading online newspapers). I'm sure I know someone who knows someone at the SCMP and can raise some Hell.
 
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Got a link to a pic of a guy holding a piece of the ark.

(IMG:http://www.scmp.com/files/SCMP/News/Static Files/SCM_News_SCMPOST_25APR10_NS_NOAH4__pix59.jpg)


Looks pretty spry for a piece of 4000 year old wood. And what's the mongo doing handling it? If that's a piece of the ark or a piece of wood that was next to a guy who knew a guy who had a giraffe on the ark.... It's worth like billions and billions!
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OOoooH! They found a piece of WOOD! Now I'm convinced! Hallelujah!

Now we wait for hilarity: To further their claim, they need to have the find dated. However, in order to not invalidate Biblical chronology totally, fundies have to reject all current archaeological dating methods. :D

So how are they gonna argue for a dating of this find? :p

And if they refrain from dating it, how are they going to argue for .. anything?

Painted themselves into a corner, they have.

Hans
 
Ahh, I now see that are actually quoting carbon dating, heheh. Since carbon dating effectively destroys Biblical chronology, that is an epic fail. I'm amazed at how silly people can be.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
Ahh, I now see that are actually quoting carbon dating, heheh. Since carbon dating effectively destroys Biblical chronology, that is an epic fail. I'm amazed at how silly people can be.

Hans
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.... by a carbon-dating method in Iran.
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Whatever that means.

I'm trying to find out if that pic was taken in Hong Kong. The article states that the conditions (low temperature and environmental conditions of glacierdeposits and volcanit material) were responsible for preserving the material.

So, what do you do? You take it down to 12 feet below sea level in one of the most polluted and humid cities in the world, bar none, and you make sure to just expose it to the air with no protection, whatsoever.

But be sure to wear surgical gloves! That looks all sciencey and stuff.
 
I just love the concept of 4000m high flood waters. It would had to have rained a darn sight longer than 40 days and 40 nights, lol
 
bit_pattern said:
I just love the concept of 4000m high flood waters. It would had to have rained a darn sight longer than 40 days and 40 nights, lol
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Well, that is another shot at own foot. According to most Bible apologists, the explanation for the lack of water (there is far from enough water on Earth to cover all land) is that hights were differently distributed at the time of the flood; the oceans were shallower, the mountains were lower.

But that kills their (already flimsy) argument that the find cannot be a settlement ruin because of the elevation.

Hans
 
I've seen, with my own eyes, the remnants of highly developed and sophisticated societies living quite happily at 4000m (Lake Titicaca, anyone?). Not to mention existing, modern cities (La Paz is lovely this time of year).
 
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Representatives of Noah's Ark Ministries said the structure contained several compartments, some with wooden beams, that they believe were used to house animals.The group of evangelical archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement on the grounds none have ever been found above 11,000 feet in the vicinity, Yeung said.
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And how many wooden supertankers have ever been found above 11,000 feet in the vicinity, Mr. Yeung?
 
So, they found a boat? Why is it so hard to find an enormous garden in the Middle East containing every species of plant and animal on Earth, now guarded by a giant angel with a sword made out of fire?
I mean, look for the easy proofs of Biblical inerrency first.
 
My letter to the editor (the images mentioned are not here attached - you'll just have to use your imagination!)

Dear Sir or Madam,

Thank you for running the extremely interesting article, "Have Hong Kong evangelists found the biblical Noah's Ark?" In the same vein of newsworthiness and scientific inquiry I am sending you a report of my own extraordinary archaeological find: pieces of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

I have attached photographic evidence of my discovery. To the casual observer this may seem like an ordinary plate of cooked Waitrose brand spaghetti with a couple of capers, but my fellow Pastafarians are able to confirm that these are in fact strands of very special and unusual spaghetti, never seen before by Science and are in fact holy relics of His Noodly appendages. 'Scholars', whose credentials I cannot be bothered to establish, likewise confirm they are totally magical looking.

As you will note from the attached images, the capers are arranged in a position that exactly resemble eyes, looking out in judgement - COINCIDENCE? I think not. Also attached is a picture of me with the specimen looking very serious and wearing a vaguely archaeologist/explorer type outfit. This is further evidence that this is the genuine article.

Of course we are not making the samples available for independent verification, because actual scientists and archaeologists might, like, steal my specimens and stuff. I expect the SCMP to run this highly important piece of news prominently and with the same degree of trenchant journalistic critique that the 'Noah's Ark' piece received.

Thanks and best regards,
[Madouc's Real Name]
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I love reading the Comments on stories like this.

As to The Great Flood being the result of divine intervention is concerned, I am not buying it. A much more likely scenario and one backed up by growing archeological evidence, is that the flood was caused by a holocaust stemming from an ancient nuclear war between the Anunnaki and the Atalans (Atlanteans).
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Well clearly, that is much more likely!
 
Apparently the wood has been dated as 4800 yrs old using Carbon Dating!!

Now, hasn't Carbon Dating and other means of radio-metric dating made certain fundamentalist beliefs look a little, well, implausible?
 
More reasons why Ark is unlikely to ever be recovered or found: upon landing somewhere other than mountains in Turkey, and thence abandoned by Noah, et al, it was, as time went by, a convenient source of construction wood, or firewood, or cooking fire wood, for people in the area. Termites may have had a buffet or two as well ...

(this hypothesis is informed by the various ancient structures that were scavenged for building materials by succeeding generations, to include structures in Rome, the gates of Cuma, and much else).
 
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