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Noah's Ark found?

Magical zoo, wooden supertankers, holy relics of His Noodly appendages….this thread has my sides hurting. LOL

The group of archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement, explaining one had never been found above 11,500 feet in the vicinity.

Mmmkay. The reason you exclude that possibility is because one has never been found before. Noah’s Ark has never been found before either.

"If you think someone went up there to build that, it would take a greater miracle than the Flood [of Noah] itself."

Hmmm….I’m thinking no.
 
How many people were there back then anyway? 1000?
Try 30,000,000
:rolleyes:
Think of this once. There are LOTS of birds. We know that as a fact. How many have you ever found dead, of natural causes, or saw one crashing back to earth, dying on the way down?
there seems to be some fault with your logic there, we know there was no great flood in 2300bce because the other civilisations that didn't steal a flood story from Mesopotamia didn't notice it happening. So theres no point looking for all their dead bodies when we already know where their dead bodies are. In the graveyeards that they were using when the Hebrews were claiming the earth was covered with a depth of water equivalent in height to the tallest mountains. So either the gravedigger was great at holding his breath, or you don't have a clue what youre talking about
which is it ?
:D
 
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Maybe they joined the other organisms that died, and turned into oil.

How many people were there back then anyway? 1000? The ocean is a pretty big place to search.

Think of this once. There are LOTS of birds. We know that as a fact. How many have you ever found dead, of natural causes, or saw one crashing back to earth, dying on the way down?


Huh?
 
Maybe they joined the other organisms that died, and turned into oil.

How many people were there back then anyway? 1000? The ocean is a pretty big place to search.

Think of this once. There are LOTS of birds. We know that as a fact. How many have you ever found dead, of natural causes, or saw one crashing back to earth, dying on the way down?

Wha--?

Huh...?

Eh?

WTF ru talkin about??

etc.
 
How many have you ever found dead, of natural causes, or saw one crashing back to earth, dying on the way down?
I can one up that. Once, I arrived at a bar to set up a band (lights and sound) and I saw a big fly. I watched it buzz around for a few seconds when it just dropped to the floor and stopped moving. I poked it with a pencil and it didn't react. It was stone cold dead.

I have seen probably hundreds of dead birds in my life. Whoopee.
 
Now, after further investigation on Mount Ararat, Randall Price, a Judaic studies expert at Liberty University, and geologist Don Patton have issued an in-depth critique on the matter, standing firm in their contention the evidence shown to international news media was actually material transported from the northeastern Turkish town of Trabzon near the Black Sea, and transplanted atop Ararat as part of a movie production about Noah's Ark.


Kurdish guide Ahmet Ertugral, also known as Parasut (Parachute) for his trademark mustache.

The report places much of the blame for the scheme on Kurdish guide and former Price colleague Ahmet Ertugrul, nicknamed "Parasut" (pronounced parachute), for his large, parachute-like mustache:

According to one source some of the wood came from an old barn, however, other sources said the large wood came from an old ferryboat ... The wood was carried by large trucks to 2,500 meters (8,200 feet) and then by horses to 3,700 meters (12,100 feet). Then each worker carried two pieces of wood until all of it was at the site. They started by putting the wood on the ground to make floors. Then they made sides and finally a roof. There is a ladder in one cave that leads down to the wood. The workers took ash and rubbed it on the wood to make it look old.
They piled up snow against the wood frame they built and let the rain, ice, and snow cover everything inside and out. Rocks and other things fell on the roof and one caved in.

The government may or may not have known about the transportation of the wood and the construction of the structures, but, as our source said, the government is only interested in furthering tourism since the economy is so poor, so they probably wouldn't care or say even if they knew. The workers said they worked on the inside for one month from around November 1 to December.

Parasut took many old things to put into places in the structure like stone bowls, seeds, and a rock. The piece of old wood that the Chinese gave to be tested was just a single piece that came from Alamut, a 3,500-year-old castle located 20 kilometers (12 miles) from the city of Esfahan, Iran. Parasut also put straw and other things on the floors. When the people heard on the news that Parasut claimed to have found the ark many of them laughed, but others said they would keep quiet because it would be good to bring in the tourists. ...

They were told they were building a "movie set" and that the movie people would arrive to film what they made. According to them, Parasut himself never actually went to the site, but continually asked them for details to be sure everything was looking good.

They only came forth to tell their story once they learned that the movie makers were claiming their "movie set" was the real thing! They did not want to be considered "a liar like Parasut." They did not want to be thought of as "bad people." However, because they live in close proximity to Parasut and continue to work on Mt. Ararat, they have asked that their identities not be revealed. This is a dangerous part of the world and there is a lot of money at stake and Parasut is not someone to be trifled with.

Noah's Ark Ministries International is firing back at the report, stating, "We are very disappointed and enraged by some Christian scholars, who used partially factual, and plausible-yet-false materials, piled into an article looking like a scholarly report, with bold titles accusing NAMI of making a fraud. It severely maligned and hurt this organization and the exploration-team members. ...

It would be just like God, in fact, I expect it, that He would again reveal something to the world that makes His Truth clear to all, and those that wish to deliberately and stubbornly reject despite will have no valid excuse even to themselves.

Suckered again by your God
lols
:D
 
I can one up that. Once, I arrived at a bar to set up a band (lights and sound) and I saw a big fly. I watched it buzz around for a few seconds when it just dropped to the floor and stopped moving. I poked it with a pencil and it didn't react. It was stone cold dead.

I have seen probably hundreds of dead birds in my life. Whoopee.

How many have fossilized?
 
Maybe they joined the other organisms that died, and turned into oil.

How many people were there back then anyway? 1000? The ocean is a pretty big place to search.

Think of this once. There are LOTS of birds. We know that as a fact. How many have you ever found dead, of natural causes, or saw one crashing back to earth, dying on the way down?
I've actually seen a few birds die. A bird typically isn't flying when it dies its usually sitting on a tree limb or a wire or whatever. If you live in the country and walk through the woods and pastures you actually come across the remains of quite a few birds.

I saw a starling standing on a electric wire either freeze to death or die of whatever. It fell off of the wire and I tried to save it to no avail. The person who said that the skeletal remains of humans and animals is right. The remains of many of them would be seen. Drowned bodies usually float until the flesh rots away and then the bones sink. The bones would be disarticulated andthe remains of humans and animals would have intermingled. This would be showing up in the fossil record but it hasn't.
 
I see that Snopes has gotten around to summarizing the debunking of this.
http://www.snopes.com/religion/noahsark.asp

I was, of course, amazed that Noah's Ark wasn't discovered according to Snopes. But I am a bit confused by this story (caveat: I haven't read most of this thread).

Aren't those structures old news? The new news was the wooden structures at 13,000 feet supposedly with an age determined by carbon 14 dating. Was the wood structure in the same place as the geological formation described in the Snopes article? Was the wood structure a complete hoax? If it wasn't a complete hoax what is it believed to be?
 
Ok so the water was higher than the highest mountain, the air pressure at that altitude is unbreathable, but god could fix it with magic.
The water would be completely silted up so all fish (most) would die. But god could fix it with magic.
Plus what about the fish that are bottom dwellers, the change in water pressure would kill all of those. But god could fix it with magic.
 
Ok so the water was higher than the highest mountain, the air pressure at that altitude is unbreathable, but god could fix it with magic.
I'm sure this has been covered in the thread already. This particular point doesn't need magic. The bottom part of the atmosphere, with it's high air pressure, rises with the ocean. Adding five miles or so to the radius of the Earth doesn't affect atmospheric volume enough to matter.

This, of course (I wish), does not make the story plausible.
 
I was, of course, amazed that Noah's Ark wasn't discovered according to Snopes. But I am a bit confused by this story (caveat: I haven't read most of this thread).

Aren't those structures old news? The new news was the wooden structures at 13,000 feet supposedly with an age determined by carbon 14 dating. Was the wood structure in the same place as the geological formation described in the Snopes article? Was the wood structure a complete hoax? If it wasn't a complete hoax what is it believed to be?

Nothing amuses me more than bible fundies citing C14 dating when it comes to alleged biblical relics. Otherwise, they vehemently deny that it can be used to determine the age of fossils. :p

Hans
 
Nothing amuses me more than bible fundies citing C14 dating when it comes to alleged biblical relics. Otherwise, they vehemently deny that it can be used to determine the age of fossils. :p

Hans

A brief digression, while we wait for inspiration to strike somebody with something relevant to say:

One of my favorite places in the world is the bristlecone pine forest in the White Mountains of California. I like it for a variety of reasons but the thing that is relevant to this thread is that bristlecone pines was the first method used to calibrate carbon 14 dating and errors were found because the rate of C14 creation in the atmosphere was not as static as had been assumed.

The oldest bristlecone pine identified so far has been found to be 5,062 years old. And by using the process of correlating overlapping the growth rings of fallen trees, material for C14 testing calibration has been found that goes back about 10,000 years. It is interesting that only two generations of bristlcone pines can exceed the alleged age of Noah's ark by almost double.

Curl-leaf mountain mahogany (not closely related to mahogany) is another species of tree that grows in the same area as the bristlecone pines. These trees reach great ages as well (about 3,000 years I believe) and are perhaps even more spectacular than the bristlecone pines with their gnarled branches and very showy seeds.
 
A brief digression, while we wait for inspiration to strike somebody with something relevant to say:

One of my favorite places in the world is the bristlecone pine forest in the White Mountains of California. I like it for a variety of reasons but the thing that is relevant to this thread is that bristlecone pines was the first method used to calibrate carbon 14 dating and errors were found because the rate of C14 creation in the atmosphere was not as static as had been assumed.

The oldest bristlecone pine identified so far has been found to be 5,062 years old. And by using the process of correlating overlapping the growth rings of fallen trees, material for C14 testing calibration has been found that goes back about 10,000 years. It is interesting that only two generations of bristlcone pines can exceed the alleged age of Noah's ark by almost double.

Curl-leaf mountain mahogany (not closely related to mahogany) is another species of tree that grows in the same area as the bristlecone pines. These trees reach great ages as well (about 3,000 years I believe) and are perhaps even more spectacular than the bristlecone pines with their gnarled branches and very showy seeds.

Before the flood trees produced many rings in a year*

*actual apologist argument.
 

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