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Noah's Ark a Reality

Given all the time and effort people have spent building scale size Noah's arks, concrete Noah's arks on land, computer simulated Noah's arks and Noah's arks blueprints you'd think someone would have managed to build a real one by now!

Tells you something no?
 
Given all the time and effort people have spent building scale size Noah's arks, concrete Noah's arks on land, computer simulated Noah's arks and Noah's arks blueprints you'd think someone would have managed to build a real one by now!

Tells you something no?
That gopher wood is hard to come by? That the physics don't work unless god tells you to do it? That food and fresh water supplies are difficult to manage when you have 2 of everything. That starting with two of everything and ending with 2 of everything are two different things ?....burp...
 
That gopher wood is hard to come by? That the physics don't work unless god tells you to do it? That food and fresh water supplies are difficult to manage when you have 2 of everything. That starting with two of everything and ending with 2 of everything are two different things ?....burp...

I'd never thought of the fact that, not only would the predators have to abstain from their favorite diets while on the ark, but would have to continue to do so for at least a couple of years after landing so the herbivore population could recover. They'd be pretty hungry by that time.
 
Only because I've had a few PMs asking me, "W.O.M.B.A.T." stands for

Waste
Of
Money
Brains
And
Time...
 
I'd never thought of the fact that, not only would the predators have to abstain from their favorite diets while on the ark, but would have to continue to do so for at least a couple of years after landing so the herbivore population could recover. They'd be pretty hungry by that time.


That wikipedia article is a good read... I never thought of the fact that Noah's Ark seemed pretty pausible for a long time... it was only after we started explored and categorizing the world that folks began to say.... uh.... somebody was smoking something.
 
Woodmorappe (Noah's Ark: A feasibility Study) claims that the carnivores lived on carrion and vegetables and dry dog food for at least a year after the ark landed.

Think about it. You're a lion. On your left: bony old Noah. On your right: a pile of dry dog food.
 
Woodmorappe (Noah's Ark: A feasibility Study) claims that the carnivores lived on carrion and vegetables and dry dog food for at least a year after the ark landed.

Think about it. You're a lion. On your left: bony old Noah. On your right: a pile of dry dog food.

They had dry dog food back then? Wow, a pre-flood bag of Dads.. Not to mention that carnivores don't process vegetables all that well...

Sorry ChristineR, just teasing a bit..:D
 
They had dry dog food back then? Wow, a pre-flood bag of Dads.. Not to mention that carnivores don't process vegetables all that well...

Sorry ChristineR, just teasing a bit..:D
No, of course not. everyone ate the Dinosaurs. that's why they are extinct. 1. t-rex can feed at least a dozen "pairs" for a few weeks.
 
Noah isn’t the only main character in the flood story.

To imagine that God -- the creator of the universe -- couldn’t keep an unseaworthy wooden boat afloat for a couple soggy weeks with too many animals aboard is to imagine an unfairly limited all-powerful deity.

Magic trumps physics, people. Write that down. It could save your life someday.

(Not that the OP’s implications are anything but mad silly. I’m just saying...)
 
Well, just to be completely accurate you can make your own dry dog food. :D Getting the lion to eat it, on the other hand....
 
I have to ask: Has anyone wept because of the article in the OP? Other than tears of laughter, I mean.
 
So what's the big deal? We've had one of those for many years here in St. Louis (actually just over the Missouri River in St. Charles). It's a restaurant and motel. It's been closed now for some time. I remember eating there when I was a kid.

DJJ: are you saying this model of Noah's Ark built by a guy in Holland is proof that evolution, the organizing principal behind all of the biological sciences, is wrong?

Growing up in St. Charles, I had dinner there on several occasions. They were famous for their clam chowder. I think the hotel is still open though. I'm more impressed with the casino down the street than Noah's Ark, but that's just me.
 
The biggest problem with the Ark story is that it is obviously copied from the Epic of Gilgamesh or a similar source.

The hearts of the Great Gods moved them to inflict the Flood.
Their Father Anu uttered the oath (of secrecy),
Valiant Enlil was their Adviser,
Ninurta was their Chamberlain,
Ennugi was their Minister of Canals.
Ea, the Clever Prince(?), was under oath with them
so he repeated their talk to the reed house:
'Reed house, reed house! Wall, wall!
O man of Shuruppak, son of Ubartutu:
Tear down the house and build a boat!
Abandon wealth and seek living beings!
Spurn possessions and keep alive living beings!
Make all living beings go up into the boat.
The boat which you are to build,
its dimensions must measure equal to each other:
its length must correspond to its width.
Roof it over like the Apsu.
...
The child carried the pitch,
the weak brought whatever else was needed.
...
I provided it with six decks,
thus dividing it into seven (levels).
...
All the living beings that I had I loaded on it,
I had all my kith and kin go up into the boat,
all the beasts and animals of the field and the craftsmen I had go up.
...
'The olden days have alas turned to clay,
because I said evil things in the Assembly of the Gods!
How could I say evil things in the Assembly of the Gods,
ordering a catastrophe to destroy my people!!
No sooner have I given birth to my dear people
than they fill the sea like so many fish!'
The gods--those of the Anunnaki--were weeping with her,
the gods humbly sat weeping, sobbing with grief(?),
their lips burning, parched with thirst.
Six days and seven nights
came the wind and flood, the storm flattening the land.
When the seventh day arrived, the storm was pounding,
the flood was a war--struggling with itself like a woman
writhing (in labor).
The sea calmed, fell still, the whirlwind (and) flood stopped up.
I looked around all day long--quiet had set in
and all the human beings had turned to clay!
The terrain was as flat as a roof.
I opened a vent and fresh air (daylight!) fell upon the side of
my nose.
I fell to my knees and sat weeping,
tears streaming down the side of my nose.
I looked around for coastlines in the expanse of the sea,
and at twelve leagues there emerged a region (of land).
On Mt. Nimush the boat lodged firm,
Mt. Nimush held the boat, allowing no sway.
One day and a second Mt. Nimush held the boat, allowing
no sway.
A third day, a fourth, Mt. Nimush held the boat, allowing
no sway.
A fifth day, a sixth, Mt. Nimush held the boat, allowing
no sway.
When a seventh day arrived
I sent forth a dove and released it.
The dove went off, but came back to me;
no perch was visible so it circled back to me.
I sent forth a swallow and released it.
The swallow went off, but came back to me;
no perch was visible so it circled back to me.
I sent forth a raven and released it.
The raven went off, and saw the waters slither back.
It eats, it scratches, it bobs, but does not circle back to me.
Then I sent out everything in all directions and sacrificed
(a sheep).
I offered incense in front of the mountain-ziggurat.
Seven and seven cult vessels I put in place,
and (into the fire) underneath (or: into their bowls) I poured
reeds, cedar, and myrtle.
The gods smelled the savor,
the gods smelled the sweet savor,
and collected like flies over a (sheep) sacrifice.
...
'You gods, as surely as I shall not forget this lapis lazuli
around my neck,
may I be mindful of these days, and never forget them!
The gods may come to the incense offering,
but Enlil may not come to the incense offering,
because without considering he brought about the Flood
and consigned my people to annihilation.'
Just then Enlil arrived.
He saw the boat and became furious,
he was filled with rage at the Igigi gods:
'Where did a living being escape?
No man was to survive the annihilation!'
Ninurta spoke to Valiant Enlil, saying:
'Who else but Ea could devise such a thing?
It is Ea who knows every machination!'
...
Now then! The deliberation should be about him!'
Enlil went up inside the boat
and, grasping my hand, made me go up.
He had my wife go up and kneel by my side.
He touched our forehead and, standing between us, he blessed us:
'Previously Utanapishtim was a human being.
But now let Utanapishtim and his wife become like us, the gods!

Now, let's look at the story of Noah:

13And God said to Noah, ‘I have determined to make an end of all flesh, for the earth is filled with violence because of them; now I am going to destroy them along with the earth. 14Make yourself an ark of cypress wood; make rooms in the ark, and cover it inside and out with pitch. 15This is how you are to make it: the length of the ark three hundred cubits, its width fifty cubits, and its height thirty cubits. 16Make a roof for the ark, and finish it to a cubit above; and put the door of the ark in its side; make it with lower, second, and third decks. 17For my part, I am going to bring a flood of waters on the earth, to destroy from under heaven all flesh in which is the breath of life; everything that is on the earth shall die. 18But I will establish my covenant with you; and you shall come into the ark, you, your sons, your wife, and your sons’ wives with you. 19And of every living thing, of all flesh, you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. 20Of the birds according to their kinds, and of the animals according to their kinds, of every creeping thing of the ground according to its kind, two of every kind shall come in to you, to keep them alive. 21Also take with you every kind of food that is eaten, and store it up; and it shall serve as food for you and for them.’ 22Noah did this; he did all that God commanded him.
...
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters came on the earth. 7And Noah with his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives went into the ark to escape the waters of the flood. 8Of clean animals, and of animals that are not clean, and of birds, and of everything that creeps on the ground, 9two and two, male and female, went into the ark with Noah, as God had commanded Noah. 10And after seven days the waters of the flood came on the earth.
...
21And all flesh died that moved on the earth, birds, domestic animals, wild animals, all swarming creatures that swarm on the earth, and all human beings; 22everything on dry land in whose nostrils was the breath of life died. 23He blotted out every living thing that was on the face of the ground, human beings and animals and creeping things and birds of the air; they were blotted out from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those that were with him in the ark. 24And the waters swelled on the earth for one hundred and fifty days.
...
At the end of one hundred and fifty days the waters had abated; 4and in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. 5The waters continued to abate until the tenth month; in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, the tops of the mountains appeared.

6 At the end of forty days Noah opened the window of the ark that he had made 7and sent out the raven; and it went to and fro until the waters were dried up from the earth. 8Then he sent out the dove from him, to see if the waters had subsided from the face of the ground; 9but the dove found no place to set its foot, and it returned to him to the ark, for the waters were still on the face of the whole earth. So he put out his hand and took it and brought it into the ark with him. 10He waited another seven days, and again he sent out the dove from the ark; 11and the dove came back to him in the evening, and there in its beak was a freshly plucked olive leaf; so Noah knew that the waters had subsided from the earth. 12Then he waited another seven days, and sent out the dove; and it did not return to him any more.
...
20 Then Noah built an altar to the Lord, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt-offerings on the altar. 21And when the Lord smelt the pleasing odour, the Lord said in his heart, ‘I will never again curse the ground because of humankind, for the inclination of the human heart is evil from youth; nor will I ever again destroy every living creature as I have done.

Clearly, the story of Noah is based on either the EoG or some similar common source.

In both stories:

1) God or the gods send a flood to kill all living things
2) Someone builds a boat to save living things
3) The dimensions of the boat are a part of the story
4) The levels of the boat are a part of the story
5) The loading of the boat is a part of the story
6) The flood itself is a part of the story
7) The boat comes to rest on a mountain
8) Birds are sent out to see if it is safe to land the boat and get out
9) A sacrifice is made to God or the gods, which he/they smell(s)
10) After the sacrifice a pact is made
 
The following passage from the book, Nelson's Navy - The Ships, Men and Organisation, 1793-1815 by Brian Lavery, may be instructive in terms of discussing ship design and the maximum length of a wooden vessel:

The optimum length for a ship depended largely on the number of decks she was to have. Three-deckers were longer than two-deckers, which were longer than single-decked frigates and sloops. At the smaller end of the range, ships which had a complete orlop or accommodation deck tended to be longer than those which had not.

Longer ships needed the greater longitudinal strength which the extra decks gave. One of the great problems of ship design was 'hogging', or sagging at the ends. This was caused by 'the unequal distribution of the weight in different sections of the body, when compared with the quantity of the water displaced in these places; and the fore and aft parts left unsupported by the water during the motions of pitching.' The bow and stern of a ship carried more guns, but were supported by less water than the midships, because of the narrowing of the hull in these areas.

In practice, there was a safe limit for a ship of a given construction. If a two-decker was more than 175ft long, it became increasingly liable to hogging — for example the Kent, a 74-gun ship of 182ft was found to have arched 17in at each end, despite being a 'ship of short standing'.
I would think that Noah's Ark would have faced similar design challenges and limitations on its size, given the cargo of animals it would have carried, particularly since many of them would have been large and heavy creatures.
 
Here's what I like. Near the top of the article, it says

Reckoning by the old biblical measurements, Johan's fully functional ark ...

I wasn't sure what "fully functional' meant but learned later on that it means, among other things a 50-seat film theater and a water cascading down on a model of the ark. So the ark contained a model of the ark, which presumably contained a model of the ark, which.... Hey, it's turtles all the way down. :)

But the best part is that "Exhibits on the third level show ... a wax model of an exhausted Noah reclining on a bed in the forecastle". Now, if I remember correctly, there was a very good reason for Noah to be exhausted. I wonder if the exhibit shows that part of the story?
 

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