No wrongdoing for ACORN in Cal.

TraneWreck said:
Ah, so just say good bye to substance. Ok, I take that as a surrender.
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The issue is Browns report, which you haven't even read. Read the damn report.

Ongoing pattern of corruption, hilarious.
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Apparently you're also not familiar with the organization either. Might want to do a little research on the organization before you start a thread on it.
 
Neally said:
The issue is Browns report, which you haven't even read. Read the damn report.

Apparently you're also not familiar with the organization either. Might want to do a little research on the organization before you start a thread on it.
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I read the report. The "corruption" was mostly ineptitude. Unless you want to explain the sinister motive behind putting documents in the trash instead of shredding them.

Here's the AG's Report: http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/press/pdfs/n1888_acorn_report.pdf

I defy anyone to find something sinister. Here are the "wrong-doings":

ACORN consisted of a tangle of separate affiliate organizations whose activities and management were confusingly entertwined. ACORN in California was disorganized and very poorly managed. It failed to recruit, train and monitor its employees to ensure compliance with California law.
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Inept, not corrupt.

The San Diego ACORN office most likely violated state civil laws designed to protect personal information, when it disposed of documents with confidential information about its employees, members, and individuals in the community it served. These violations may result in private litigation by the victims if they were injured by the disclosures.
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Inept, not corrupt.

The California Secretary of State discovered four instances of possible voter registration fraud in San Diego in connection with the 2008 election. These cases have been examined by the Secretary of State’s Office and referred to the local district attorney. The district attorney’s office investigated and has filed no criminal charges. We found no allegations or evidence of actual fraudulent votes being cast.
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Inept, not corrupt. Some great scheme, "Haha, we will commit 4 cases of registration fraud that don't result in fraudulent votes being cast. Soon, the world will be ours, Mwahaha."

At the inception of our investigation, ACORN and 18 affiliates were delinquent in registering or filing reports with the Attorney General’s Registry of Charitable Trusts. In response to notices from the Registry, all 19 of those entities have now either cured the delinquencies or forfeited their corporate status in California.
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Inept, not corrupt.

ACORN solicited contributions for charitable purposes for victims of Southern California wildfires. ACORN did not properly account for these charitable funds and was unable to tell us if it raised any restricted funds or how the funds were used. We determined that ACORN spent more than it likely raised for the fire victims and therefore further action into this issue is not a wise use of the State’s resources.
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Inept, not corrupt.

ACORN did not file its 2007 tax form with the Franchise Tax Board. The Board will take appropriate action.
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The worst action, but hardly the sign of deep corruption.

ACORN failed to implement internal controls and procedures sufficient to account for and protect charitable assets held in California as required by California law. This lack of appropriate infrastructure raises concerns about ACORN’s use of its charitable funds and grants. However, we found no complaints from any California agency or private foundation that ACORN had misused funds granted and supervised by the agency or foundation. The Lousiana Attorney General and the IRS are investigating ACORN’s finances and use of charitable and grant funds. We will continue to closely monitor those investigations for evidence of illegal activity in California
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Inept, not corrupt.

These are all minor infractions that could have been dealt with by proper oversight. There is nothing sinister.
 
Rika said:
a) oookay?

b) TU QUEQUE IS A FALLACY.
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And so the point being made about Moore isn't true in some way, shape or form to some degree, right?

By doing what you just did is a way of not addressing the main point of the post. You're better at fallacies than I am, so help me out; is what you did called a straw man?

"A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by substituting a superficially similar proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position."
 
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I can't help but wonder what the response would be if someone went to Tea Party meetings and protests, shot video on a hidden cam, released a series of videos that showed the Tea Party members as racists who's only real problem was the color of Obama's skin, then have it come out that the video was heavily edited to show such racism when in fact such things were rare.
 
Wow. So basically a bad apple or two on this forum won't, after viciously assaulting people on the previous ACORN thread, just let go and admit they were wrong.

Scum is scum. You decide to support scum, you get it on you. Breitbart is scum, and by not acting skeptically when a known liar released an edited video and by not thinking about it and applying critical thinking, you acted like every other credulous person whose showed up on the main page of the JREF.

With independent confirmation failing to show up for Breitbart's videos, you should have reevaluated your opinions. Period. You didn't, you got punked.

That being said, and ignoring these credulous fools, ACORN deserved to die. Any organization that doesn't stand firm against lies, conduct internal investigations, and stand behind its employees (especially a non-profit, where people are frequently underpaid and overworked) deserves to die. Period. It's craven behavior, and I only hope that the organizations rising out of its ashes keep the good parts of it and ditch the bad. When idiots attack you, you stand behind your employees, investigate, dismiss only if there's wrongdoing, and be completely open about the entire process. ACORN caged up, released lots of statements without knowing what happened, was sloppy with the independent confirmation, and allowed it to spiral out of control. They would have had a lot of friends if they'd hired an independent investigator, stood behind their employees until they knew what happened, gone on PR runs detailing exactly who was going against them - Drudge's self described "rhymes with witch," an idiot stuntsman of a filmmaker even Breitbart won't fully associate with (despite paying him), and the usual right wing noise machine.

You don't placate the right wing lie machine by feeding it victims, you kick it in the gonads, rip out a few gears, and urinate on it.
 
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TraneWreck said:
I read the report. The "corruption" was mostly ineptitude. Unless you want to explain the sinister motive behind putting documents in the trash instead of shredding them.

Here's the AG's Report: http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/press/pdfs/n1888_acorn_report.pdf

I defy anyone to find something sinister. Here are the "wrong-doings":



Inept, not corrupt.



Inept, not corrupt.



Inept, not corrupt. Some great scheme, "Haha, we will commit 4 cases of registration fraud that don't result in fraudulent votes being cast. Soon, the world will be ours, Mwahaha."



Inept, not corrupt.



Inept, not corrupt.



The worst action, but hardly the sign of deep corruption.



Inept, not corrupt.

These are all minor infractions that could have been dealt with by proper oversight. There is nothing sinister.
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Does 6 Inepts = 1 corrupt?:rolleyes: I guess to some it does.
 
Hypocrisy much? Ignoring significant facts in the report while claiming O'Keefe ignored/editing the videos.

Employees outside California made suggestions for disguising profits from the illegal enterprise and for avoiding detection by law enforcement authorities. Clearly, the worst behavior was exhibited by the Baltimore employees who advised on how to falsely report the profits of their sex business and report underage prostitutes as “dependants.”
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Never mind, obviously just inept, not corrupt employees, oh and those government contractors for whatever reason you keep bringing up, yeah just inept, not really corrupt.
 
Neally said:
Hypocrisy much? Ignoring significant facts in the report while claiming O'Keefe ignored/editing the videos.
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"Claiming?"

Neally, did he or did he not extensively edit the videos? Factual question here, yes or no?
 
Neally said:
Hypocrisy much? Ignoring significant facts in the report while claiming O'Keefe ignored/editing the videos.



Never mind, obviously just inept, not corrupt employees, oh and those government contractors for whatever reason you keep bringing up, yeah just inept, not really corrupt.
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Are. Tea Baggers. Racist?
 
Neally said:
Hypocrisy much? Ignoring significant facts in the report while claiming O'Keefe ignored/editing the videos.



Never mind, obviously just inept, not corrupt employees, oh and those government contractors for whatever reason you keep bringing up, yeah just inept, not really corrupt.
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Sigh...what's the title of this thread? Notice the essential part in that excerpt "OUTSIDE CALIFORNIA."

Not to mention that a "willingness" to discuss is hardly a big deal. I suppose I've shown a willingness to discuss helping clients hide funds in divorce proceedings. They'll bring up some hair-brained scheme and instead of telling them they're idiots, I nod and move the conversation forward. No one has found criminal wrongdoing of ACORN in any other state, so "willingness to discuss" is not illegal, it seems.
 
TraneWreck said:
I do enjoy the scattered, blind flailing here. Which one of those listed grievances do you find corrupt? It's a whole lot of nothing.
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And I'm thoroughly enjoying the massive ACORN apologist failings.

No wrongdoing for ACORN in Cal.--well no criminal wrongdoing...
ACORN isn't corrupt-- they're just inept...
Well ACORN in Cal. isn't corrupt...
Well all those government contractors are so corrupt --it doesn't make ACORN so bad...
Maddow really exposed how Brown's report totally cleared ACORN--well except for the part that she left out about how the Baltimore employees advised on how to falsely report the profits of their sex business and report underage prostitutes as “dependants.”
 
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