No Obamacare for Obama

Offer medicare to these individuals and leave the rest of us alone.

So, you're so angry about the government's interfering with health care via this new law that your solution is to...reject this law's mandate to purchase private health insurance from for-profit corporations, and instead massively expand the government-run and government-administered Medicare program?
 
This citizen and veteran is feeling the 'death by a thousand cuts', and am just showing my frustration with the slow, incremental loss of personal freedom in exchange for social justice and government involvement in, and control of, more and more aspects of daily life.

I know how you feel as a citizen and a taxpayor, I am contributing to the near $3Trillion dollar cost of an illegal war that I didn't want to pay for.

In fact there is a lot of things I don't want to pay for that the government takes money from me to cover... like not being a veteran, I've no real interest in the VA, why should my tax dollars pay for that? Sure, you can argue that you defended our country and I didn't , but that's just the roll of the dice, time, circumstances, etc. and if you were wounded, I'm sorry, but deal with it. Oh well, maybe that is the price of living in a representative democracy.

Don't get me started on local taxes like those for schools...
 
So, you're so angry about the government's interfering with health care via this new law that your solution is to...reject this law's mandate to purchase private health insurance from for-profit corporations, and instead massively expand the government-run and government-administered Medicare program?

It isn't perfect, and I'm no expert. On one hand I'm a economic conservative/social libertarian who supports rugged individualism and a hands off government, but I'm also a human being who doesn't want to see children, the poor, and the sick, suffer. Charity cannot handle the load alone, so something else is necessary.

Medicare is a system thats already in place, and it being a voluntary option appeals to me. Obamacare doesn't.
 
Medicare is a system thats already in place, and it being a voluntary option appeals to me. Obamacare doesn't.

But it isn't. I am forced to pay for Medicare in my taxes and I am not even eligible for it because I get health insurance through my job.

I really don't have a problem with this, but would not have any real ability to opt out of paying that portion of my taxes if I did, so I do not really classify it as voluntary.
 

Note that this is for the exchanges. If you don't want to buy insurance from one, you don't have to. It's more for those who don't already have insurance.

Also, I think that PDF you cite may be out of date. It was last modified on December 2, 2009, and it says there's a public option. As I understand it, the public option didn't make it to the final passage of the Senate bill, which happened a few weeks later.
 
But it isn't. I am forced to pay for Medicare in my taxes and I am not even eligible for it because I get health insurance through my job.

I really don't have a problem with this, but would not have any real ability to opt out of paying that portion of my taxes if I did, so I do not really classify it as voluntary.

Well, I suppose Kodiak could swear a holy oath never to partake of insurance benefits once health reform happens. Then it could be as voluntary as medicare where he has to pay for it but can't use it. Heck, it would be MORE voluntary since the oath was his own decision.
 
It isn't perfect, and I'm no expert. On one hand I'm a economic conservative/social libertarian who supports rugged individualism and a hands off government, but I'm also a human being who doesn't want to see children, the poor, and the sick, suffer. Charity cannot handle the load alone, so something else is necessary.

Medicare is a system thats already in place, and it being a voluntary option appeals to me. Obamacare doesn't.

Medicare is not voluntary...I pay taxes towards it. Some aspects of particpation are volutnary, not the funding of it.

Besides, when it was suggested that we could solve the health care situation by just extending Medicare, the screams of government take over of health care was just as loud.

The real deal is that this very imperfect bill, essentially maintains what little free market exists in health care -- and the lie of the right wing in this debate is that health care is/was a free market. It wasn't and isn't for some time now -- note that they didn't oppose the bill and propose more free market by doing away with Medicare, Medicade, SCHIP, Veternans hospitals, etc. They knew that people don't find much of that particularly intrusive of dibiliating to their freedoms and, indeed, those government take over of parts of the health care marketplace have overwhelming public support (recall the stupid signs: Government hands of my Medicare?).

So, it seems to me, that if we are talking about a highly regulated part of the economy to begin with (HHS, FDA, Social Secuirty, Veterans health, and on and on), than what this bill really does is not bring down the crushing force of government take over, it basically is fiddling around the edges (real government takeover is a single-payer, government run and opperated health care system). Instead, we've still got insurance companies in the driver seat, doctors claiming that THE GOVERNEMNT doesn't pay them enough and opting out of programs (Stupid socialists who forgot to enforce that Doctors must work for the government in the bill) and all of the for profit centers that currently exist in our system essentially in place.
 
On one hand I'm a economic conservative/social libertarian who supports rugged individualism and a hands off government [...]
In your opinion, how rugged should individualism be? How many days growth to its beard? Should it have that sexy, just-got-of-bed hair, or should it go for something wilder, more unruly, with a slightly intimidating edge?
 
In your opinion, how rugged should individualism be? How many days growth to its beard? Should it have that sexy, just-got-of-bed hair, or should it go for something wilder, more unruly, with a slightly intimidating edge?

Anthony Hopkins in "Legends of the Fall" rugged...
 
I read yesterday where Conservative collumnist and former Bush speech writer lost his job at the American Enterprise Insititue....because he thought that the Republican "no" strategy was self defeating in the longterm. Nice to know that thanks to Democrats, he can, under COBRA, keep his health insruance for 18 months (though he'll have to pay the employer's end now), or if he moves to Massachusetts, thanks to Romney, he'll be able to buy health insurance from the state managed exchange. Progress of some kind, I think.
 
Following Kodiak and BAC, does this mean Barack will not be paying for maternal care? Are the kids on his or Michelle's plan?
 


First off, it's important to note that the article you quoted was an editorial, not news.

Second of all, here's why your point is dumb: Congress and the President very, very frequently exempt themselves from all sorts of legislation, no matter whether they are Democrats or Republicans. At least one important reason why is that it helps keep them more objective.

If you are asked to vote on a law that has an immediate effect on you, your opinion may well be colored by that effect. Even though you should be considering the hundreds of thousands to millions of people you represent, you end up unintentionally more focussed on yourself. By exempting yourself from legislation, you can concentrate on how the law affects your constituents. That makes those in government more responsive to the people, and makes the system more democratic.

By pretending that the exemption for elected officials in the healthcare legislation that was somehow noteworthy, the writer of the editorial and you are being dishonest about the reasons for it.
 
In your opinion, how rugged should individualism be? How many days growth to its beard? Should it have that sexy, just-got-of-bed hair, or should it go for something wilder, more unruly, with a slightly intimidating edge?

This is my 14th favorite internet post ever. Well bowled.
 

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