No Knock Warrants and the EMT

[Arcade22]

There is of course the issue of "Yes, but so what?"

The whole point of protections against police overreach is that they weigh the right of people to be secure from state intrusiveness more than police convenience, and by definition this will make it harder for police to do their jobs.

Well I think some crimes are serious enough that it's reasonable for police to be allowed to not disclose their presence and intentions before a raid or arrest because doing so would give the suspects a chance to dispose of or otherwise make evidence unavailable.

 

[Suddenly]

Well I think some crimes are serious enough that it's reasonable for police to be allowed to not disclose their presence and intentions before a raid or arrest because doing so would give the suspects a chance to dispose of or otherwise make evidence unavailable.

Not really.

To be clear, "no knock" is an absurdly benign term for something that amounts to a sudden violent invasion by armed agents with the right to shoot anything that remotely scares them.

Drugs don't justify this. There aren't enough, if any, cases where it is reasonable to allow it at all.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Not really.

To be clear, "no knock" is an absurdly benign term for something that amounts to a sudden violent invasion by armed agents with the right to shoot anything that remotely scares them.

Drugs don't justify this. There aren't enough, if any, cases where it is reasonable to allow it at all.

A tale as old as time. The extreme practice that police justify as only being used in the most unusual circumstances quickly becomes common practice.

Does anyone doubt that there were better alternatives in this case? Staking out the apartment and waiting for the residents to leave is an easy way to ensure they can't bunker down or destroy evidence. Why would cops bother when they can just pencil-whip a warrant and wrap things up quickly?

 

[3point14]

A tale as old as time. The extreme practice that police justify as only being used in the most unusual circumstances quickly becomes common practice.

Does anyone doubt that there were better alternatives in this case? Staking out the apartment and waiting for the residents to leave is an easy way to ensure they can't bunker down or destroy evidence. Why would cops bother when they can just pencil-whip a warrant and wrap things up quickly?

Yeah, but imagine how foolish they'd look if they spent three days staking out the wrong house while the bloke they were looking for was in custody.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

911 transcripts from the Breonna Taylor shooting released. Pretty clear that the man who took shots at the police didn't understand that it was the police invading their home. How could he?

"I don't know what happened ... somebody kicked in the door and shot my girlfriend," Walker told the dispatcher.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/breonna-taylor-kenneth-walker-911-call-police-shooting/