NO English Al Jazeera

[Ziggurat]

I did not know that America disallowed certain broadcasts into Amerca...

Pretty much every country in the world licenses spectrum, and does not permit unlicensed broadcasts on spectrum that requires a license. Beyond this general restriction, I have no idea what you're talking about. Care to clarify?

 

[Hammer_of_Thor]

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2465902#post2465902

Never mind. I know where this is going and it belongs in the CT forum.

Oh, Thanks for posting that. Just another one of those people.

Tailgater,

Thanks for pulling me out before I got caught in the quicksand.

 

[fuelair]

I'm talking about how almost all your media is now owned by just a few companies and how they no longer do their historical job of holding those in power accountable for their actions.

For example, the U.S. media will now report what George Bush says and not question the veracity of his statement. That's not how it used to be.

Uh, I am guessing the US news shows you have watched are all on Fox (that's Faux for the in crowd).

 

[thinkingaboutit]

You people are ridiculous. I am by no means a ct'er or 911er or whatever you want to call them.


I'm sorry you're not understanding my point. Perhaps if you'll indulge me we can go a little farther here.

Is there a network or channel calling for Bush's impeachment? Is there reason to impeach Bush?

Is there a network or channel advocating an anti-war position in the USA? i.e. let's not occupy foreign lands like Afghanistan and Iraq etc.

Is there a network or channel that has a large focus on poverty as an issue? Do you agree that poverty is an issue which should be a priority?

You see it as natural that virtually all networks are relatively monolithic in their content?

Do you dispute my contention that media ownership is highly concentrated?

 

[King of the Americas]

To D.R.:

I prefer "capitalist counselor"...

In America, people actually pay other people to tell them how to spend their money, seriously!

I am still looking for my reference. However I recall, Pentagon Press briefings with Donald Rumsfeld. When asked about potentially targeting Al Jazeera he avoided the question, and said that "There is no doubt that they broadcast terrorist propaganda, they lie about U.S. Troop activity, and they help desiminate orders among our enemy. It could only help America and our missions to put an end to their broadcasting. But we have made no concrete plans as of yet to do so."

Or something along that order...

I watched LOTS of Rumsfeld press conferences, and I am almost sure that what he said. Granted that means nothing, and certainly wasn't him setting policy toward the news network.

A Frontline broadcast on KERA stated last night or the night before, that it was not broadcasted anywhere in America, but taht you could see and hear it online.

 

[thinkingaboutit]

You dont read the editorial page?

Yes I do. How good is your memory? How long have the NYT been very very very anti-Bush?

 

[King of the Americas]

To Ziggurat:

I'll conceed your point, I SHOULD have been more clear.

I should have known, given my own experience in radio. I was a broadcaster for 1580 AM, and I sought my own 'license' for a while to be a HAM operator.

I know what a 'pirate' signal is...and no one is allowed to operate without a license.

Thank you sir, may I have another?

 

[Darth Rotor]

I am still looking for my reference. However I recall, Pentagon Press briefings with Donald Rumsfeld. When asked about potentially targeting Al Jazeera he avoided the question, and said that "There is no doubt that they broadcast terrorist propaganda, they lie about U.S. Troop activity, and they help desiminate orders among our enemy. It could only help America and our missions to put an end to their broadcasting. But we have made no concrete plans as of yet to do so."

Because he knew that doing so, openly, would make the US look stupid, and that the Emir of Qatar would be mightily pissed, since it would be a US attack on his soil, where CENTCOM HQ happens to be located.

For freak's sake.

Rummy talked tough. Al Jazeera is still on the air, is a known hostile media source (as Pravda and Isvestia were in the Cold War), and is at no risk from the US due to the US Qatar relationship.

Got it?

DR

 

[thinkingaboutit]

Six is still more than any other time in history. Add newspapers, magazines, internet. When some of us were young, there was three news channels and the city newspapers. There was no way to see what foreign news was reporting, but now it's easy.

The problem is vertical integration. In the past the media were more independent. Now a Viacom owned station isn't going to want to broadcast a message that would be bad for any of Viacom's other interests.

 

[WildCat]

You people are ridiculous. I am by no means a ct'er or 911er or whatever you want to call them.


I'm sorry you're not understanding my point. Perhaps if you'll indulge me we can go a little farther here.

Is there a network or channel calling for Bush's impeachment? Is there reason to impeach Bush?

Is there a network or channel advocating an anti-war position in the USA? i.e. let's not occupy foreign lands like Afghanistan and Iraq etc.

Is there a network or channel that has a large focus on poverty as an issue? Do you agree that poverty is an issue which should be a priority?

You see it as natural that virtually all networks are relatively monolithic in their content?

Do you dispute my contention that media ownership is highly concentrated?

I think your problem is that there isn't a major network that shares your particular political views? I'm sure there's smaller ones that do, but the big ones are necessarily mainstream.

 

[King of the Americas]

To D.R.

I know Rummy-talk. And I know that targeting AJ would only look like hypocritical irony.

Which is kind of my entire point here.

I get like 75 stations in my home through my local media provider. About half of them, I neither wanted, nor asked for, and wish I wasn't being charged for. I'd really prefer to be able to flip though only the ones I am actually interested in...regretably I am not that rich.

I can't get C-span 2, much less Al Jazeera.

It was just this year that my local provider began broadcasting MTV...!

I think "thinkaboutit" IS correct, for 'most' Americans the choice of media really isn't all that diverse, and certainly the poorer you are, the fewer choices you have.

 

[thinkingaboutit]

I think your problem is that there isn't a major network that shares your particular political views? I'm sure there's smaller ones that do, but the big ones are necessarily mainstream.

I can see why you might think that. Really I'm an advocate of media literacy. (wikipedia actually has a good entry on this)

 

[andyandy]

Do you have a source for the stance that "companies are scared to air it".

was from a BBC report a while back....can't find it though...instead,

The long-delayed sister channel to Al-Jazeera is set to make its debut this morning, but the new network's ability to build an audience in America is in doubt because major cable and satellite providers here have declined to carry the new television offering.

The new network — which, in a last-minute move, has apparently changed its name from Al-Jazeera International to Al-Jazeera English — announced its distribution outlets yesterday and proclaimed that it will have access to between 70 million and 80 million homes worldwide. However, in America, no cable operators have reported plans to carry the Qatar-based channel, and the two largest satellite providers have also opted out. Al-Jazeera English will be available through the Internet and a satellite company specializing in international television feeds.

http://www.nysun.com/article/43554


here's a googled example of what the cable companies chose to avoid.....

http://www.freemuslims.org/news/article.php?article=1373

Al-Jazeera, the television network that many call the propaganda wing of the radical Islamist movement in the world, is scheduled shortly to launch their network in English aimed at Americans with their new studios being in Washington DC. The United American Committee objects to the establishment of the network in America; "It's as if Joseph Goebbels, the Propaganda Minster for Hitler, were to have set up a station in America during WWII." says Lee Kaplan, member of the UAC executive committee. Al-Jazeera plans on launching their 24 hour 7 day a week channel in America this spring. In response, the UAC is calling for a 24 hour 7 day a week protest in front of the Al-Jazeera studios to begin Sunday April 30th and continue daily indefinitely. The new studio of Al-Jazeera America is located at 1627 K St. NW, Suite #200, Washington, DC 20006.

 

[WildCat]

I think "thinkaboutit" IS correct, for 'most' Americans the choice of media really isn't all that diverse, and certainly the poorer you are, the fewer choices you have.

The library is free last I checked...

 

[Almo]

What are you talking about?

He's talking about media concentration and the lack of serious investigative journalism.

When I was in the UK, we saw a lot of serious stuff with journalists infiltrating the police to document racism, a phony setting up a corner shop to document racism, a guy in China dodging the chaperones to get shots of defunct factories they didn't want us to see...

He's talking about the lack of dissenting voices in the US media. I think he's right.

 

[Tailgater]

My satellite has 64 news related staions, not including network TV, and several foreign. I'm with direct TV, which isn't any more than cable and as far as I know, you can get anywhere.

 

[thinkingaboutit]

The library is free last I checked...

Will it be on CNN, FOX, ABC or CBS that i hear someone recommend I read, Manufacturing Consent?

 

[Tailgater]

He's talking about media concentration and the lack of serious investigative journalism.

When I was in the UK, we saw a lot of serious stuff with journalists infiltrating the police to document racism, a phony setting up a corner shop to document racism, a guy in China dodging the chaperones to get shots of defunct factories they didn't want us to see...

He's talking about the lack of dissenting voices in the US media. I think he's right.

Every news network in this area has the "investigative team" that runs around exposing companies and politicians for things. I think it is the complete opposite. More things get drowned out in the "white noise" of people exposing things.

 

[thinkingaboutit]

I'll give you a good example of what I'm talking about. Seymour Hersh (he who brought My Lai and others, one of the very few investigative reporters) recently wrote in the New Yorker about how the current US administration has secretly, recently funded some Al Qaeda members. Has anyone seen any other media source pick this story up, run with it at all?

here's the original story...

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh

 

[WildCat]

He's talking about media concentration and the lack of serious investigative journalism.

When I was in the UK, we saw a lot of serious stuff with journalists infiltrating the police to document racism, a phony setting up a corner shop to document racism, a guy in China dodging the chaperones to get shots of defunct factories they didn't want us to see...

We have all of that here too.

He's talking about the lack of dissenting voices in the US media. I think he's right.

What lack of dissenting voices?