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NIST raw data?

bill smith said:
I don't think any hi-rise steel framed buillding has ever been brought down by any method except explosive controlled demolition. Feel free to enlighten me if I'm wrong.
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You really are ignorant of what really happened at WTC, aren't you?

Deutsche Bank Building

Damage

The collapse of 2 World Trade Center during the September 11 attacks tore a 24-story gash into the facade of the Deutsche Bank Building and destroyed the entire interior of the structure. Steel and concrete were sticking out of the building for months afterward. This was eventually cleaned up but it was decided that the 42 story ruin was to be taken down.

Deconstruction

In October, 2009, it was announced that deconstruction of the Deutsche Bank Building would finally resume, and as of March, 2010, the building has been reduced to 21 stories. According to the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, demolition of floors 19 through 21 is currently in progress, and the building is expected to be dismantled at a rate of two floors per month. If the deconstruction continues at this rate, then the building will finally be gone by January 2011.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bank_Building
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BigAl said:
You really are ignorant of what really happened at WTC, aren't you?
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I bet the attacks kept the demolition bill pretty cheap for Ol' lucky Larry eh Al ?
Bet the Deautche Bank wished they'd had a plane too ? lol

http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=7084

There’s more. You see, the World Trade Towers were not the real estate plum we are led to believe. From an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception by the NY Port Authority -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. How could Silverstein Group have been ignorant of this?
The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings.
The projected cost to disassemble the towers: $15 Billion. Just the scaffolding for the operation was estimated at $2.4 Billion!
In other words, the Twin Towers were condemned structures. How convenient that an unexpected “terrorist” attack demolished the buildings completely.
 
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bill smith said:
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Requoting Big Al

You really are ignorant of what really happened at WTC, aren't you?

Deutsche Bank Building

Damage

The collapse of 2 World Trade Center during the September 11 attacks tore a 24-story gash into the facade of the Deutsche Bank Building and destroyed the entire interior of the structure. Steel and concrete were sticking out of the building for months afterward. This was eventually cleaned up but it was decided that the 42 story ruin was to be taken down.

Deconstruction

In October, 2009, it was announced that deconstruction of the Deutsche Bank Building would finally resume, and as of March, 2010, the building has been reduced to 21 stories. According to the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, demolition of floors 19 through 21 is currently in progress, and the building is expected to be dismantled at a rate of two floors per month. If the deconstruction continues at this rate, then the building will finally be gone by January 2011.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bank_Building
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bill smith replied

I bet the attacks kept the demolition bill pretty cheap for Ol' lucky Larry eh Al ?
Bet the Deutche Bank wished they'd had a plane too ? lol

http://www.lookingglassnews.org/view...p?storyid=7084

There’s more. You see, the World Trade Towers were not the real estate plum we are led to believe. From an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception by the NY Port Authority -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. How could Silverstein Group have been ignorant of this?
The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings.
The projected cost to disassemble the towers: $15 Billion. Just the scaffolding for the operation was estimated at $2.4 Billion!
In other words, the Twin Towers were condemned structures. How convenient that an unexpected “terrorist” attack demolished the buildings completely.
 
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femr2 said:
Information, which NIST were provided access to, is required to build such a model.

To build a comparable model, NIST must release the information it was based upon.

The buildings no longer exist. There does not seem to be a rational public safety issue.
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What information??????
 
triforcharity said:
They do not own the structural drawings for the building. They (I assume) belong to the buildings' owner.

Has anyone tried contacting the building owner? Most likely not.
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Well, I could be wrong, but the detailed as-builts for most buildings are a matter of public record, particularly buildings of "public accomodation". Moot point anyway. Its just a dodge.
 
switchpoint said:
Well, I could be wrong, but the detailed as-builts for most buildings are a matter of public record, particularly buildings of "public accomodation". Moot point anyway. Its just a dodge.
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True, some drawings are public record. I don't think the electrical or plumbings ones are though. And I think the buildings that held federal offices might be exempt, as well as backs and such, for obvious reasons.

But, it really is just a dodge.
 
bill smith said:
I bet the attacks kept the demolition bill pretty cheap for Ol' lucky Larry eh Al ?
Bet the Deautche Bank wished they'd had a plane too ? lol

http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=7084

There’s more. You see, the World Trade Towers were not the real estate plum we are led to believe. From an economic standpoint, the trade center -- subsidized since its inception by the NY Port Authority -- has never functioned, nor was it intended to function, unprotected in the rough-and-tumble real estate marketplace. How could Silverstein Group have been ignorant of this?
The towers required some $200 million in renovations and improvements, most of which related to removal and replacement of building materials declared to be health hazards in the years since the towers were built. It was well-known by the city of New York that the WTC was an asbestos bombshell. For years, the Port Authority treated the building like an aging dinosaur, attempting on several occasions to get permits to demolish the building for liability reasons, but being turned down due the known asbestos problem. Further, it was well-known the only reason the building was still standing until 9/11 was because it was too costly to disassemble the twin towers floor by floor since the Port Authority was prohibited legally from demolishing the buildings.
The projected cost to disassemble the towers: $15 Billion. Just the scaffolding for the operation was estimated at $2.4 Billion!
In other words, the Twin Towers were condemned structures. How convenient that an unexpected “terrorist” attack demolished the buildings completely.
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And not a single cited source for the information in that article. Gee......wonder why.......:rolleyes:
 
Another very powerful piece though isn't it tri ? I guess that people can easily use their intuition there. It's not hard to smell the big fat rat is it ?

With thanks to Big Al without whom it would never have come together so well.
 
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Asbestos is really nasty stuff. Last thing you want is a bunch of that crap in the air...
 
bill smith said:
From around the 12 minute mark Steven Jones talks about NIST and WTC7 including the pseudo-science that NIST imposed on the American people and their failure to release the data from which their conclusions could have been verified. As it is we are asked to take their word which we absolutely will not do, ever.

http://www.archive.org/details/WorldTradeCenterDemolitionLecturesByJonesAndRyan
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Bill:
I think you might need to explain again why anyone might give a **** what Jones has to say.
 
bill smith said:
From around the 12 minute mark Steven Jones talks about NIST and WTC7 including the pseudo-science that NIST imposed on the American people and their failure to release the data from which their conclusions could have been verified
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How?

The only way to do this is doing all the work again.
 
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