NIST doesnt release their computer models (now they've done it!)

It's was not for a wind effecttest , but for an impact test.

My point is really simple, but believers(the people who always insult peeps who don't believe what they believe) can't understand it.

NIST model is theory, speculation based on simulation and "law of physics" not fact or proof.

And powder and little rocks don't bring down building.

People can't understand it because you continue to contradict yourself. It's difficult to take people seriously and follow their train of thought when they contradict themselves. I believe, therefore, that the lack of understanding is solely your fault.

Theory and speculation are two completely different things- and if you are trying to claim that the application of the laws of physics are not fact or proof, then you are miles away from having a valid point.

Powder and little rocks didn't bring down the building- that is a strawman. The "powder and little rocks" are a result of the building being brought down.
 
The "powder and little rocks" are a result of the building being brought down.
I can just see the story on 9/11 blogger and the spin of pdoh because of this sentence. Jref admits that the towers were brought down :(
 
I can just see the story on 9/11 blogger and the spin of pdoh because of this sentence. Jref admits that the towers were brought down :(

Yes well toto will now be "dustified" as a result of that little NWO slip.

TAM:)
 
It's was not for a wind effecttest , but for an impact test.

My point is really simple, but believers(the people who always insult peeps who don't believe what they believe) can't understand it.

NIST model is theory, speculation based on simulation and "law of physics" not fact or proof.

And powder and little rocks don't bring down building.
I find people who believe in lies are always insulting me by repeating them. The fact is a plane hit the WTC tower, fire broke out and the towers fell. Simple math and physics can confirm there was more than enough energy involved to cause what happen on 9/11 without planted explosive what would have cooked off in the fires anyway and not of worked as excepted. Planted explosive is the wildest idea there is and actually makes the person who says it was explosives a fool and a liar for not having proof or evidence.

The fact is the impact of flight 175 was had the energy of 2200 pound of TNT, more than enough to cut every single steel column in the WTC. The fact is steel is weakened in fire, a lot. The fact is the towers fell and destroyed themselves, this is a fact and it backed by physics and science.

You have no facts or physics or math to support your ideas. The fact is the energy of the WTC towers falling each was 250 tons of TNT. That is why ground zero looks like it was bombed with 2000 500 pound bombs.

Take your choice did the WTC look like 500 2000 pound bombs or 2000 500 pound bombs? Can you sum up your conclusions on this topic and what facts do you have to support them?

You have not even acknowledge the dust at the WTC was also wallboard, glass fibers and dust from ceiling tiles, dust from glass windows, dust from insulation, why?

You do not even tell us when the photo was taken, what date, and how much clean up had already take place. You failed to present photos of a large building in ruble 7 stories high and steel and concrete sections, large and looming all over the 19 acres the WTC towers destroyed. Two acre buildings dropped debris over 19 acres damaging many buildings all around. Do not present out of context photos and present shallow research and make wild conclusions that are false. Please do more research and explain why you make statements with no facts or evidence.
 
I find people who believe in lies are always insulting me by repeating them. The fact is a plane hit the WTC tower, fire broke out and the towers fell. Simple math and physics can confirm there was more than enough energy involved to cause what happen on 9/11 without planted explosive what would have cooked off in the fires anyway and not of worked as excepted. Planted explosive is the wildest idea there is and actually makes the person who says it was explosives a fool and a liar for not having proof or evidence.

The fact is the impact of flight 175 was had the energy of 2200 pound of TNT, more than enough to cut every single steel column in the WTC. The fact is steel is weakened in fire, a lot. The fact is the towers fell and destroyed themselves, this is a fact and it backed by physics and science.

You have no facts or physics or math to support your ideas. The fact is the energy of the WTC towers falling each was 250 tons of TNT. That is why ground zero looks like it was bombed with 2000 500 pound bombs.

Take your choice did the WTC look like 500 2000 pound bombs or 2000 500 pound bombs? Can you sum up your conclusions on this topic and what facts do you have to support them?

You have not even acknowledge the dust at the WTC was also wallboard, glass fibers and dust from ceiling tiles, dust from glass windows, dust from insulation, why?

You do not even tell us when the photo was taken, what date, and how much clean up had already take place. You failed to present photos of a large building in ruble 7 stories high and steel and concrete sections, large and looming all over the 19 acres the WTC towers destroyed. Two acre buildings dropped debris over 19 acres damaging many buildings all around. Do not present out of context photos and present shallow research and make wild conclusions that are false. Please do more research and explain why you make statements with no facts or evidence.


I do not blame them for questioning what they do not understand...I blame them for ignorantly continuing to believe the mistruths and pseudoscience, when they have had people who DO UNDERSTAND, show them the difference.

TAM:)
 
This does not look how you describe
That looks like smoke and dust from a very large building destroying itself when it failed and released 248 tons of TNT energy as it did.
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I think the truthers are funny when they show still photos and try to say there were explosives. But when you watch the video you see a total gravity driven collapse with not a single explosion. Instead of helping learn how the buildings fell, truthers make up lies and present no facts or evidence.

This photo shows a gravity collapse of the WTC, releasing 248 tons of TNT energy as it falls.

That means the destruction of the WTC just from gravity was equal to 2000 500 pound bombs. How many B-52s would it take to drop that many bombs? Or it was like 500 2000 pound bombs like on Desert Storm when the F-117 dropped a 2000 pound bomb and demolished a big building, it would take 500 f-177s dropping a 2000 pound bomb each! That is what the energy of collapse, a gravity driven collapse, was like.
 
I can just see the story on 9/11 blogger and the spin of pdoh because of this sentence. Jref admits that the towers were brought down :(

Oh, they'll spin it no matter what is said- the fact of the matter is that the buildings were "brought" down, by terrorists, or gravity, or structural failure- whatever context you want to put in that.

That gives me an idea, though...
 
Yes well toto will now be "dustified" as a result of that little NWO slip.

TAM:)

Yeah- my handler just called me. He's furious. He's thinking he's just going to have to bring JREF down again and clean up all the evidence and then erase people's memories again.

I told him to shove it- we're way over budget, anyway.
 
Yeah- my handler just called me. He's furious. He's thinking he's just going to have to bring JREF down again and clean up all the evidence and then erase people's memories again.

I told him to shove it- we're way over budget, anyway.

Are you still here, I thought you were scheduled for "dustification".

TAM;)
 
Yeah- my handler just called me. He's furious. He's thinking he's just going to have to bring JREF down again and clean up all the evidence and then erase people's memories again.

I told him to shove it- we're way over budget, anyway.
Sorry bout this but you handler called me and told me to introduce you to NWO gansta kitty...

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Well I specifically heard "Dustification", but a good cat scratch and mauling will do...but don't let the slip happen again Toto.

TAM:)
 
Well I specifically heard "Dustification", but a good cat scratch and mauling will do...but don't let the slip happen again Toto.

TAM:)
Mauling yes, scratch no. NWO gangsta kitty was trained in the ancient but deadly art of SHORYUKEN. Toto if I were you I would hide...

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But the truther-argument "NIST wont release its models" seem to me be moot. They will, as long as you pay for them.

Why hasn't any truther-organisation done that? All models for $2500 according to the FOIA-requests made.

/S
 
in the words (paraphrased) of the high priest of twoof, DRG,

"They cant afford to send anyone across the ocean to interview the alive dead hijackers", so they aint likely gonna cough up $2500 for the models.

TAM:)
 
Falling debris with some help ;)
So you're the latest troofer to come here and claim that the WTC was the first CD ever that used explosives to "powderize" the concrete? Would you care to estimate (a ballpark figure will do) how much explosive is needed to pulverize 110 acres of 4" thick lightweight concrete? No troofer has been able to do so to date, maybe you'll be the first!
 
they usually just say "mini-nuke" which they seem to think covers any amount of required explosive...lol

TAM:)
 
Mauling yes, scratch no. NWO gangsta kitty was trained in the ancient but deadly art of SHORYUKEN. Toto if I were you I would hide...

[qimg]http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1148/shoryukenen2.jpg[/qimg]

LMAO.
 
So you're the latest troofer to come here and claim that the WTC was the first CD ever that used explosives to "powderize" the concrete? Would you care to estimate (a ballpark figure will do) how much explosive is needed to pulverize 110 acres of 4" thick lightweight concrete? No troofer has been able to do so to date, maybe you'll be the first!

I know! I know! If you placed 2 ton charges of TNT on every level in the core section and somehow managed to sequentially fire them every 0.4 seconds, without the lower explosives going off in the process, you would achieve similar "dustification"
 
Mauling yes, scratch no. NWO gangsta kitty was trained in the ancient but deadly art of SHORYUKEN. Toto if I were you I would hide...

[qimg]http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1148/shoryukenen2.jpg[/qimg]

ok, now the kitty in the first photo, which you identify as gangsta kitty, is clearly different from the kitty in the picture above. I smell a conspiracy here?

TAM;)
 

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