NIST Denies Access to WTC7 Data

[triforcharity]

Molten steel:



And no, the swiss cheese steel and iron rich microspheres have no reasonable explanation outside of thermite based incendiaries and explosives either.

At :12 sec. pause it.

Tell me, does that steel look MOLTEN to you???

Sure doesn't look molten to me.

Hell, I am wondering how a CLAW machine could pick up something MOLTEN. As in, LIQUID.

 

[kylebisme]

Oh, you mean like thermite?You mean the dogs that were there that were trained to detect it?

No, I've never even seen any evidence that there were bomb sniffing dogs there at all, let alone ones trained to sniff out thermite. I'd be shocked if dogs could rightly sniff out thermite in office buildings, seeing as how aluminum and iron-oxide are so common in such environments.

Show me thermite producing intergranular melting. I'll wait......

Did you not watch the video in this thread?

 

[excaza]

Molten steel:

That's funny, nowhere in that video is there proof of molten steel. There's some heresay of molten steel, yet nothing to back it up. Can you tell molten steel apart from other molten metals?Why is there no documentation of these molten pools of 'steel'? There were plenty of metals present with melting temperatures within the range of office fires.

Bent beams are not molten, it's well documented that steel (and pretty much every other material on the planet) loses strength with an increase in temperature.

Care to try again?

And no, the swiss cheese steel and iron rich microspheres have no reasonable explanation outside of thermite based incendiaries and explosives either.

Your lack of understanding of the explanation doesn't mean it's not reasonable.

 

[triforcharity]

No, I've never even seen any evidence that there were bomb sniffing dogs there at all, let alone ones trained to sniff out thermite. I'd be shocked if dogs could rightly sniff out thermite in office buildings, seeing as how aluminum and iron-oxide are so common in such environments.

See the link on the previous page. Your argument from personal ignorance is noted.

Did you not watch the video in this thread?

Did you see INTERGRANULAR MELTING in that video? I surely didn't. Especially considering they did not ONCE use a microscope to look at the steel.

I'll keep waiting......

 

[beachnut]

Molten steel:



And no, the swiss cheese steel and iron rich microspheres have no reasonable explanation outside of thermite based incendiaries and explosives either.

The swiss chees steel, oops, was not done by thermite, you missed the study done on the steel proving it was not thermite.

does thermite have copper? (remember Jones says his thermite is iron oxide based, you know the iron rich lie stuff)

A digital x-ray map of the distribution of major elements through the scale and into the steel is shown in Fig. 11. Sulfur penetration into the oxide scale reacts to form iron sulfide and copper sulfide and a fluxing reaction occurs resulting in sulfur penetration into the steel forming predominantly manganese sulfides in many of the prior ferritic grain boundaries on cooling. It is much more difficult to detect liquid formation in these boundaries prior to cooling and the additions of copper and silicon complicate the formation of a simple eutectic product.

does thermite have silicon? Why did Jones fake dust not have sulfur in all the samples?

Jones fake themite, has no copper, but the swiss cheese has copper. Why do you support fake investigators.

 

[kylebisme]

A study was done...

Feel free to quote the part you believe supports your claim, and I'd be happy to address it.

At :12 sec. pause it.

Tell me, does that steel look MOLTEN to you???

Yeah, that's molten steel dripping off the beam.

See the link on the previous page.

I've seen it, feel free quote from it whatever you believe supports your claim.

Did you see INTERGRANULAR MELTING in that video?

Yeah, that's what happens when thermate is ignited on steel, one doesn't need a microscope to see it.

 

[triforcharity]

Yeah, that's molten steel dripping off the beam.

LOL!! Too funny! So, YOU can identify molten steel by sight alone? Impressive!!

I've seen it, feel free quote from it whatever you believe supports your claim.

The entire thing.

Yeah, that's what happens when thermate is ignited on steel, one doesn't need a microscope to see it.

Really? Prove it. Especially considering WPI said that the erosion occured at a temp much LESS than thermite.....

 

[kylebisme]

So, YOU can identify molten steel by sight alone

Being a big steel beam, glowing yellow hot with the end dripping away; it doesn't take a Sherlock.

Especially considering WPI said that the erosion occured at a temp much LESS than thermite.....

We've been through this before:

Sure, like if you light a candle and stick a thermometer in it for a moment before blowing out the candle, you'll never see your thermometer get anywhere close to the temperature of the flame. How hot a material gets from being exposed to an exothermic reaction depends on both the intensity of the reaction and how long it is exposed to it.

 

[beachnut]

Feel free to quote the part you believe supports your claim, and I'd be happy to address it.


Yeah, that's molten steel dripping off the beam.


I've seen it, feel free quote from it whatever you believe supports your claim.


Yeah, that's what happens when thermate is ignited on steel, one doesn't need a microscope to see it.

No steel dripping off of a beam, steel is hotter than some ashes, like from office contents, glass, wood, or glowing embers.

You can't get the core of the WTC towers right, how are you going to prove it is steel when the object glowing is way below the temperature to melt steel. You have never seen melted steel flowing, and when you see it up close you get burnt.

The study, the study you can't find proves your claims are delusions.

Where is the copper in Jones' dust, his fake thermite study?

the additions of copper and silicon complicate the formation of a simple eutectic product.

Oops, no copper in Jones fake study. What is carbon doing in Jones' thermite? Carbon? This gets more insane the more it becomes clear you never read Jones' failed paper. Figure out what lateral means yet?

 

[Justin39640]

Being a big steel beam, glowing yellow hot with the end dripping away; it doesn't take a Sherlock.

Now, if a steel claw grabbed hold of "molten" steel, do you think that claw would operate for any length of time? It is operated hydraulically. Do you think the rubber and plastic packings in the cylinders (not to mention the rubber hoses) would survive that kind of heat? Watson?

 

[beachnut]

Being a big steel beam, glowing yellow hot with the end dripping away; it doesn't take a Sherlock.


We've been through this before:

Darn, no 2500 degree temperatures, no thermite was used, proved with your swiss cheese steel sample found not be exposed past 1100 degrees, most likely 940 degrees. Darn, you are proved wrong by your own claims. Like your lateral load failure on the towers.

The reaction forming the eutectic lowers the temperature at which liquid can form in this steel to about 940 ºC, or possibly lower, depending on the amount of silicon, carbon, and other impurities dissolved into the liquid eutectic. Isothermal furnace experiments at 1100 ºC using iron sulfide powder placed on ground A36 steel produced a hot corrosive reaction with liquid penetration similar to that found in the steel in the WTC 7 fire.

The swiss cheese steel, was corroded, not melted by thermite. What temperature does thermite reach? It is funny how you are fooled by dolts who make up thermite, get you to support it with talk, just fake claims and talk.

 

[excaza]

We've been through this before:

Do you have a specific objection to the WPI paper? I can drop it off with Professor Sisson tomorrow before class and have an answer for you by the end of the week.

 

[dc1971]

I've mentioned it elsewhere before...

No you haven't!

 

[kylebisme]

Now, if a steel claw grabbed hold of "molten" steel, do you think that claw would operate for any length of time?

Yeah, I'd bet it was just fine, the rubber and such being fairly far away from the hotest parts.

Darn, no 2500 degree temperatures...

Yet again:

Sure, like if you light a candle and stick a thermometer in it for a moment before blowing out the candle, you'll never see your thermometer get anywhere close to the temperature of the flame. How hot a material gets from being exposed to an exothermic reaction depends on both the intensity of the reaction and how long it is exposed to it.

Is that just too much for you to wrap you head around?

Do you have a specific objection to the WPI paper?I can drop it off with Professor Sisson tomorrow before class and have an answer for you by the end of the week.

I'd be interested in hearing how he imagines the steel from the WTC came to be covered in iron sulfide powder.

 

[beachnut]

Do you have a specific objection to the WPI paper? I can drop it off with Professor Sisson tomorrow before class and have an answer for you by the end of the week.

It would be interesting to here what he says about the thermite stuff, but I would never ask anyone in the real world about the delusions of the fringe few paranoid conspiracy theorists. Get some rest

 

[Justin39640]

Yeah, I'd bet it was just fine, the rubber and such being fairly far away from the hotest parts.

Wrong. Steel is a very good conductor of heat. At almost 3000 degrees the hinge pins would seize in their bores. Damage to the hydraulics would be certain too.

If they pulled molten steel out of a hole that would mean the hole the claw was operating in was around that temperature too.

You obviously didn't think anything through. (shocker)

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Finding molten steel days/weeks after the collapse rules out thermite, period. It's difficult enough to ignite normally, more so in a part of a structure that suffered an extreme impact event, and even more so when your infrastructure for instigating any level of reliable reaction is completely obliterated by the buillding's collapse.

whatreallyhappened.com also has a history of doctoring photographs including our own mr Steven 'cold fusion' Jones who tried to depict a rescue scene full of flood lights as a pit in the debris pile with fire fighters two feet away from white hot molten steel under the pile. The radiant heat from that crap isn't going to leave anything in close proximity unscathed.

Finally, having photography as a hobby I learned quite a bit about how cameras work, particularly with exposure settings. The visibility of the "molten steel" in the grab claw is waaay off. When you adjust exposure to reveal specific details, particularly at night, you sacrifice tons in seeing details in less efficiently lit objects. The exposure settings are jacked off in that image. If anyone has doubt in this I'll gladly provide some photos I've taken of the moon with different exposure settings as well as two different cameras.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Being a big steel beam, glowing yellow hot with the end dripping away; it doesn't take a Sherlock.

But the beam itself melting is not the only possibility. Perhaps one end was resting in a small pool of melted aluminum, which we know has a much lower melting point than steel.

 

[cmatrix]

Any chance we will ever see an experiment showing a building being brought down with "quiet" explosives?

Any chance we will ever see an experiment showing a building like WTC 7 being brought down with fire and having a period of free fall?

 

[dc1971]

Any chance we will ever see an experiment showing a building like WTC 7 being brought down with fire and having a period of free fall?

WTC 7 sustained heavy damage.

THAT, along with the fires on SEVERAL FLOORS is what eventually led to it's collapse! Any building put to these circumstances will collapse!

So again, I have yet to see a building brought down with thermite! Any takers on this experiment?