In fact there are numerous pieces (a) making tours around the USA, (b) being placed into memorials, and (c) displayed in museums. In addition, i am sure there is lots still in the custody of authorities...and this is 9 years later.
TAM
In fact there are numerous pieces (a) making tours around the USA, (b) being placed into memorials, and (c) displayed in museums. In addition, i am sure there is lots still in the custody of authorities...and this is 9 years later.
TAM
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No you don't, or else you would have asked why NIST had no physical evidence to back up their preposterous WTC 7 hypothesis.
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What hypothesis are you referring to?
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What's your hypothesis Red?
It's apparent you have a problem with NIST, do you believe they are part of a massive 9/11 conspiracy?
Do you believe others who have published papers in peer reviewed journals based on NIST's reports are also in on it?
Do you have a theory concerning the events of 9/11?
Please create a new thread and share it with us.
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Why don't you create a new thread? Another callout Twoofie thread is exactly what this forum needs.
I commented on NIST's WTC 7 hypothesis, which is what this thread is about.
Good gosh, Thunderr. I promised myself I wouldnt respond anything right now as I was just browsing the answers but that made me do so. I will need the HARD EVIDENCE for your 12 million murdered jews PLEASE. Do so in a private message perhaps, because it will be off-topic. Thanks in advance.How can you tell that no other piece of important evidence was destroyed? I`m not CLAIMING they did hide or destroy, i`m just being skeptical and can`t rule out the fact that they could do, if I would work on a forensic investigation about this case. You, in other hand, are claiming with strange certainty, that no evidence was destroyed, because you recently did cast your eyes upon some of the debris, if I did understand you correctly. You don't seem to understand the logics behind a criminal investigation.
Hmmm instant death? What about having your skin and lungs baking for almost 1 hour before you commit suicide by jumping from the window? Sound pretty instantaneous to me huh...
What about knowing that you are on a hijacked plane taking an
"instantaneous" tour through New York before being smashed into pieces into a skyscraper? I know! All instantaneous.
And about your #2 statement, yes, I consider it as low as or lower than holocaust. Be it whoever was behind 911, at least we knew the why and who were murdering the jews during WWII. Again, your 12 million number deserves a huge facepalm until you prove me that. Im a bit frustrated with you now, you seemed way more aware of the facts in that thread about the attack on the turkish flotilla. It seems now that you are back to parroting the entire zionist propaganda and annoying exageration and drama about the already disgusting holocaust.
Im sorry about the other posters, but I had time only to answer this one for now. I had to.
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Thanks for the dodge Red, I knew you'd come through.
I'll explain for the lurkers:
Red doesn't like the NIST report on WTC 7, but won't share what he dislikes about it.
He also doesn't know what motivated NIST to make, in his estimation, a "preposterous hypothesis".
Were they all in on the inside jobby job?
Maybe they're just incompetent and all the other professionals agreeing with them are too.
Luckily we have Red and other truthers
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I'll just quickly do it here to save Thunder the trouble. 12 million deaths in the holocaust is a common figure. Nobody knows for sure. It could be much higher. Jews weren't the only people killed in the holocaust.
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How many Jews do you think perished?
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This makes me anticipate a "none were killed" answer, leading us to put fallout along with Dogzilla and Saggy in the neo-Nazi pile.
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Well, if your goal is to demonstrate your lack of understanding, then I guess you could say that you "win either way". I'll only reiterate what others have pointed out. Instead of sitting in your mom's basement talking twooth fairy stuff, why don't you hop down to the local Federal courthouse and file civil suit, or commonly known as a judicial review? Of course you have to follow the FOIA administrative process first (which I doubt that you have). It'll cost you a few hundred dollars to file, but a reasonably intelligent person can write and submit the complaint pro se, saving the cost of an attorney. Most such complaints/reviews are filed in the DC Court which tends to favor the government's position, so I would suggest filing in your home District. It is more of a hassle since those courts are not as familiar with the FOIA process as the DC Court, but they tend to rule more often against the government. But then again, there is the appeals process open to both so it can get rather long and expensive. However, following the law is certainly preferable to pitchforks.
Uh huh...now i supposeyull go git yer gun and sit waitin fer da guvment to come git ya.
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Not all evidence takes the form of physically collectable items. You know this.
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Just the best type of evidence.
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All the JREF bs aside......
What's so dangerous about the information NIST refuses to release?
What's so dangerous about the information NIST refuses to release?
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All the JREF BS?
You mean the parts where we repeatedly tell the Twoofers to file a petition for judicial review to challenge NIST's decision, and where NIST must answer the very question you posed?
Oh, THAT JREF BS?
Answer to your question: I don't know, so why don't you get off your dead ass and file a petition for judicial review and find out?
Oh, wait: see my sig:
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Why don't you file an FOI request and find out?
A guess would be that the information contains weaknesses in existing structures making future terror attacks easier should they receive the information. That's just a guess, as I said.
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Why ask here, given that any answer you get here will necessarily fall within your definition of "JREF bs"?
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Either contains such information, or makes it possible to determine those weaknesses (read weaknesses as places where smaller or fewer bombs would do the job) for any desired building.
Let's say, as a totally hypothetical case, that you want to bomb the Eiffel Tower to make some political point. You want to do as much damage as possible, but you know that the larger your explosive devices, and the more of them you need, the more likely you'll be stopped before any of them go off. So, what's your plan? How many of the columns at the base of one "leg" would you have to sever to topple it, if you could manage large enough devices to damage the stronger steel there? How about the top chords of the base arches, would severing one or more of those cause a sufficient failure in tension to bring it down? How about smaller bombs on the thinner steel of the upper spire; if you severed it near the middle platform would the falling mass also collapse the larger base? You don't know for sure, because no one knows for sure. So you have to risk either your bombs being in the wrong places to do enough damage (a la WTC 1993), or trying to make or plant more bombs and getting caught.
But fortunately for you, it's the information age! The right software can give you the knowledge to minimize your risk. Software that NIST happens to have, but won't release to you. How annoying!
The real irony here is that some of the individuals and groups clamoring for the release of this information have variously claimed that Al Qaeda does not exist, that even if it does exist it was not responsible for any of the WTC attacks including 1993, and that the requested information itself has no real-world validity. So there is no reason whatsoever for them to not immediately pass it on to every Paskistan-based Islamic charity organization that requests a copy.
If there were a court case challenging the FOIA denial, do you think those points would be raised?
Respectfully,
Myriad