Nick Griffin, BNP leader on BBC's Question Time

[Cleon]

Where lies the bigotry? Pointing out that most African and Middle eastern culture is in stark contrast to things like women's rights, gay rights, secularism and freedom of speech isn't bigotry.

Doesn't Sweden have an official state religion?

 

[Undesired Walrus]

Where lies the bigotry? Pointing out that most African and Middle eastern culture is in stark contrast to things like women's rights, gay rights, secularism and freedom of speech isn't bigotry.

If you knew anything about Britain, you would also know that most Black Blacks come descend from Caribbean ancestors, not African ones. Most black Britons are part of the British culture, not the African one.

Again, Arcade, would you side with a pro-peadophillia party if they opposed mass-immigration and multi-culturalism?

 

[Undesired Walrus]

For example South Africa,Iran,Somalia,Kenya and etc. keeping these kinds of savages out of my country is of out most importance to me, and it has nothing to do with their skin color.

God, you're narrow minded. I don't suppose it occured to you that many of the asylum seekers who flee to Britain are there because of the oppressive system in their country?

I worked in a Homeless centre in North West London in the mid 00's, and will never forget the courage of the men there who fled from the Sudan because they worked for an opposition newspaper.

I feel sorry for your restricted perspective on life.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

For example South Africa,Iran,Somalia,Kenya and etc. keeping these kinds of savages out of my country is of out most importance to me, and it has nothing to do with their skin color.

And here you are, objecting to the treatment of gays in Iran, when the leader of the party you yourself said you would vote for said this about the '99 Soho Bombing:

“Seeing all those gays flaunting their perversion showed why so many ordinary people find these creatures so repulsive”

 

[Darat]

Do you have any source on that?

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It's one of those "prove a negative" type of things but not one mainstream UK political party has as a policy to remove border and immigration controls.

 

[Darat]

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The current "controls" are obviously not enough.

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"obviously" - any evidence to support this?

 

[Lothian]

No, race have nothing to do with it, my objection to multiculturalism is entirely based on CULTURE.

For example South Africa,Iran,Somalia,Kenya and etc. keeping these kinds of savages out of my country is of out most importance to me, and it has nothing to do with their skin color.

I am confused by your use of the word culture and the articles. Here is an article about 3 Swedish boys who raped a 10 year old girl . Is rape of 10 year olds part of your culture?

Anyone can pick a story out of any country. I await your evidence that different 'cultures' in Sweden are close to changing the law so that Swedes are allowed to rape, murder and mutilate freely.

 

[Uzzy]

"obviously" - any evidence to support this?

Yes, actually. Remember when the Eastern European countries joined the EU, and Labour promised that only a few migrant workers would come over here? [url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6679755.stm]This report[/url], back in 2007, said that 630,000 had come over here since those Eastern European countries joined.

Regardless of any racial element (something I despise, by the way), tighter controls are needed purely from a logistical point of view. Where are all these migrants going to stay? Do the local councils and authorities have enough resources to deal with them? Questions like those, entirely reasonable ones in my view, have been ignored for many years under Labour, leaving an opening for the odious BNP.

 

[Arcade22]

If you knew anything about Britain, you would also know that most Black Blacks come descend from Caribbean ancestors, not African ones. Most black Britons are part of the British culture, not the African one.

Where have i claimed this? I said i don't give a damn what "race" they are, culture is the important factor.

Again, Arcade, would you side with a pro-peadophillia party if they opposed mass-immigration and multi-culturalism?

No.

 

[Arcade22]

God, you're narrow minded. I don't suppose it occured to you that many of the asylum seekers who flee to Britain are there because of the oppressive system in their country?

And this matters why? Britian has some kind of obligation to take them in?

I feel sorry for your restricted perspective on life.

Worthless ad-hom.

 

[Arcade22]

And here you are, objecting to the treatment of gays in Iran, when the leader of the party you yourself said you would vote for said this about the '99 Soho Bombing:

“Seeing all those gays flaunting their perversion showed why so many ordinary people find these creatures so repulsive”

And? Will he hang gays? Will he shoot them,gas them? No, of course not.

 

[Arcade22]

I am confused by your use of the word culture and the articles. Here is an article about 3 Swedish boys who raped a 10 year old girl . Is rape of 10 year olds part of your culture?

Rape is an inescapable part of every human society and is obviously ingranded in Sweden as in every other country and people. It is however apparent that immigrants, especially from the middle east and Africa are very over presented in rape crimes. Case in point

Anyone can pick a story out of any country. I await your evidence that different 'cultures' in Sweden are close to changing the law so that Swedes are allowed to rape, murder and mutilate freely.

Where did i claim this?

 

[Arcade22]

Yes, actually. Remember when the Eastern European countries joined the EU, and Labour promised that only a few migrant workers would come over here? [url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6679755.stm]This report[/url], back in 2007, said that 630,000 had come over here since those Eastern European countries joined.

Regardless of any racial element (something I despise, by the way), tighter controls are needed purely from a logistical point of view. Where are all these migrants going to stay? Do the local councils and authorities have enough resources to deal with them? Questions like those, entirely reasonable ones in my view, have been ignored for many years under Labour, leaving an opening for the odious BNP.

What are you? Are you some kind of bigoted, hateful neo-nazi?

 

[Skeptic]

Welcome to my bigot watch list.

His avatar is that of Robert J. "Bobby" Fischer, world chess champion, indeed, but a well-known holocaust-denying conspiracy-theory pro-9-11 antisemitic nut in his later years.

Most chess players, including Jewish ones, are not angry with the late "Bobby", as he is still affectionally known. Fischer could be very friendly to Jewish chess-playing friends. In his case, it was probably real, raging paranoia. Bobby blamed "the Jews" -- including such well-known Jews like SONY's company board of directors and the pope -- for, among other things, stealing money he had coming from chess clocks, and a world-wife plan to kill all the elephants because their trunks reminded them of uncircumcised penises. I'm serious.

If this were a chess forum, having Fischer as an avatar would be a bit odd, but one could certainly understand the reference is to his chess genius, not his paranoid politics. But in a political or general forum like this one, it's a bit of a red flag.

 

[Arcade22]

"obviously" - any evidence to support this?

When Geert Wilders came to Britain he was threated, by muslims, in broad daylight, WITH DEATH!

That's proof enough that the current British immigration laws and regulations aren't enough...at least it's for me.

 

[Skeptic]

No disagreement with what you say about Britian, Fiona, only I don't see what it proves except for the not-too-shocking revelation that the Brits belong to the species homo sapiens and therefore tend to instinctively somewhat dislike and be suspicious of those not in the in-group.

 

[Fiona]

No disagreement with what you say about Britian, Fiona, only I don't see what it proves except for the not-too-shocking revelation that the Brits belong to the species homo sapiens and therefore tend to instinctively somewhat dislike and be suspicious of those not in the in-group.

I am not sure if you thought I was suggesting anything different, Skeptic. In fact that is part of my point.

 

[Lothian]

Rape is an inescapable part of every human society and is obviously ingranded in Sweden as in every other country and people. It is however apparent that immigrants, especially from the middle east and Africa are very over presented in rape crimes. Case in point

I was unaware that Oslo was in Sweden. This is not evidence that rape is a widely accepted part of the culture.

Where did i claim this?

You criticised multiculturalism (but only when it comes from Africa or the middle east) as to show why it was bad you picked out isolated incidents and held them up as the typical culture of people from those countries with the implied anti-multiculturalism suggestion that anyone from those countries would want to bring and impose those crime ridden cultures on Sweden (or Norway depending on where Oslo is these days).

If you were not suggesting that. What was the point of picking out the incidents you did. What point were you trying to make with regards multiculturalism in Sweden, when you admit that crime is an inescapable part of every human society.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

No.

Why draw the line at that and not one that is racist, homophobic and steeped in Holocaust denial?

 

[brodski]

When Geert Wilders came to Britain he was threated, by Muslims, in broad daylight, WITH DEATH!

That's proof enough that the current British immigration laws and regulations aren't enough...at least it's for me.

and you van show these Muslims were immigrants can you?