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Merged News Article: Dad Threatens Bully

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http://www.cfnews13.com/article/new...-students-on-school-bus-for-bullying-daughter
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It's not a video, it's a news article.

SANFORD --
Seminole County investigators have arrested a man they said stormed onto a school bus and threatened to kill the students on board because his daughter was being bullied.
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Threatening to kill anyone is illegal. As far as I am concerned, that's the only crime he's commited but even that, I would have to hear the content to agree or disagree.

The Sheriff's office charged James Jones with false imprisonment, disorderly conduct assault, and disturbing a school function. The whole incident was caught on camera.
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False imprisonment, really? Are they trying to pad charges? Getting on a bus and putting a bully in his place is now false imprisonment?
 
The Sheriff's office charged James Jones with false imprisonment,
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Can't tell for sure without the video, but if at any point anyone was kept from leaving the bus through threats, then that's exactly what false imprisonment is.
http://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/violent_crimes/false_imprisionment.htm


disorderly conduct assault,
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If screaming at a bunch of kids on a school bus (when you're not a school official trying to get them to shut up) isn't disorderly conduct, I don't know what is. And in the US, assault fits as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault

and disturbing a school function.
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Wasn't he?

I understand that his anger was probably justified, but there's nothing in these charges that seems inappropriate.
 
From the article:

The incident report said the father told officers he got on the bus because he had enough of his daughter being bullied. He said she had open condoms put on her head, her ears twisted and had been called names.... Jones said he had gone to the school to talk about what was happening to his daughter but he didn't get the response he had hoped for."
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Is the school going to do anything about the actual bullying? Or is this girl now faced with a father in jail and bullies?
 
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In this case, without knowing what actions the father and for that matter the child took , i think it is kind of hard to make a descision. If this was a first step, the guy seems mentally unbalanced, if it is a culmination of years of nothing being done by teachers, then i would not say it was that innapropriate.
 
Cavemonster said:
Can't tell for sure without the video, but if at any point anyone was kept from leaving the bus through threats, then that's exactly what false imprisonment is.
http://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/violent_crimes/false_imprisionment.htm
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All I have, at this point, is the article and it is pretty vague about the length of time this whole process took. The definition is rather vague so basically any time one person confronts another and demands to be heard could be considered false imprisonment. I'm sorry, in my opinion, it's still a padding charge.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/dad-loses-cool-threatens-students-bus/story?id=11660119

This one shows the actual video and it goes more indepth to the story. I can honestly understand the father's outrage. He did try to take it up with the school and apparently it didn't help.

If screaming at a bunch of kids on a school bus (when you're not a school official trying to get them to shut up) isn't disorderly conduct, I don't know what is. And in the US, assault fits as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault
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Like I said, I agree with the threatening charge. It's one thing to confront a person but an entirely different situation when you start losing control. You are an adult and responsible for your actions. If the school wasn't protecting his daughter, go to the police. Apparently, after the father got himself arrested, the sheriff's department is looking into what provoked the incident. It would have gone a lot easier on everyone if went to the police first.

Wasn't he?

I understand that his anger was probably justified, but there's nothing in these charges that seems inappropriate.
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I know. I get that but still, it's not like he kept them on the bus for hours, ranting and acting crazy. He confronted a bully who was picking on a mentally challenged girl and confronted the bus driver, who apparently wasn't doing anything to stop it.
 
sgtbaker said:
The definition is rather vague so basically any time one person confronts another and demands to be heard could be considered false imprisonment. I'm sorry, in my opinion, it's still a padding charge.
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It may be widely applicable, but in the video, he yells at a bunch of grade school kids that they have to sit down and not leave the bus. Using intimidation to keep a bunch of kids that are not yours or under your watch confined is not the vague end of the charge, thats pretty clear.
I know. I get that but still, it's not like he kept them on the bus for hours, ranting and acting crazy. He confronted a bully who was picking on a mentally challenged girl and confronted the bus driver, who apparently wasn't doing anything to stop it.
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Whether he was justified in a moral, or an emotional way does not change the way the law is, or should be applied. If someone makes obscene jokes about my dead grandmother, I will still be charged if I strangle him.

Remember, we don't know that the bus driver had any way of knowing any bullying was going on, we can be pretty sure that not all of the kids were perpetrators. So he's screaming at a bus full of grade school kids that they can't leave and he is going to:

"I'm gonna (expletive) you up.…this is my daughter, and I will kill the (expletive) who fought her,"

"If anything happens to my daughter I'm going to (expletive) you up and everybody on this (expletive),"

That's profoundly not cool, storming on to school property and threatening everyone there with violence.
 
Cavemonster said:
It may be widely applicable, but in the video, he yells at a bunch of grade school kids that they have to sit down and not leave the bus. Using intimidation to keep a bunch of kids that are not yours or under your watch confined is not the vague end of the charge, thats pretty clear.
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I guess I took it wrong. I thought he was saying sit down, as in, "This doesn't concern you, I am here to confront this person. Stay out of it."

Whether he was justified in a moral, or an emotional way does not change the way the law is, or should be applied. If someone makes obscene jokes about my dead grandmother, I will still be charged if I strangle him.
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Strangling someone is a far cry from taking a few minutes to address an issue. I don't think they would have charged him with that, had he gone on the bus, kindly pleading the kid to leave his daughter alone, is all I am saying.

Remember, we don't know that the bus driver had any way of knowing any bullying was going on, we can be pretty sure that not all of the kids were perpetrators. So he's screaming at a bus full of grade school kids that they can't leave and he is going to:

"I'm gonna (expletive) you up.…this is my daughter, and I will kill the (expletive) who fought her,"

"If anything happens to my daughter I'm going to (expletive) you up and everybody on this (expletive),"

That's profoundly not cool, storming on to school property and threatening everyone there with violence.
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As I've said, twice before, the decision to go on the bus while he was obviously not in control of his emotions was a really bad one. The article states that the father took this up with the school first but doesn't go into anything after that. They don't say whether or not the bus driver was aware of what's going on but the bus driver is responsible for those students, while they are on the bus. If he didn't know, he wasn't doing his job.

This is where it bugs me. Maybe my school district is different than everyone else's. Here, if you get in trouble on the bus, the bus driver tells the school and the school contacts the parents. After five offenses, you are off the bus for the year. However, if you have a complaint about something that occured on the bus, the school tells you it's a bus company issue and to contact them. You contact the bus company and they tell you that if it involves another student, it's a school issue and before you know it, your head explodes.
 
I feel sorry for this father (bullying)

I know it's wrong to threaten kids, even bullies, but I would be fit to be tied if bullies did this to my kids. I'm afraid I would react about the same way.

Cops: Father Threatened to Kill Daughter's Bullies

James Jones, of Sanford, Fla., told deputies a student threw an open condom in his daughter's hair and kids were laughing at her. A video reportedly shows him angrily boarding the school bus the next day and threatening to kill the boys and the school bus driver.

Jones was charged Thursday with disorderly conduct and disturbing a school function. He was later released from Seminole County Jail.

The Orlando Sentinel reports Jones' daughter suffers from cerebral palsy. Jones told deputies he has complained to school officials before, but nothing had been done about the alleged attacks on his daughter.
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Wow, is all I can say. Put me on that jury and he walks. I hope he scared the holy crap out of those kids.
 
Puppycow said:
I know it's wrong to threaten kids, even bullies, but I would be fit to be tied if bullies did this to my kids. I'm afraid I would react about the same way.

Cops: Father Threatened to Kill Daughter's Bullies
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The kids need more then threats. They need charges brought against them.

And yes, right or wrong, my sympathy is with the father. He DID try to do it another way. It didn't work. The school, at least from this small amount of information, heard his complaints, and did nothing. I too would be outraged, and do whatever it took to make the bullies get the message.
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
If you think (as I do) that is bad, what are your feelings about this?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...-of-raped-teen-a-ball-of-rage/article1711855/

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Working for a rape crisis center, I have heard other situations very similar. I've been involved in the aftermath. Sometimes there were pictures taken and shared to memorialize the rape, sometimes not. Drugs were often used, though once it was just a girl walking home from a day time church event.

What they had in common of course was the horrificness of the rapes and the devastation of the victim and those close to her. With the exception of one set of parents, far more concerned with what people would think when they found out their daughter had been drinking and had been at a rave.

Had it been my child I would have wanted to kill the perpetrator's, at least that would be my first knee-jerk reaction. This is such a strong girl, she is going back to school and it sounds like with her head held high. Good for her. May she and her family have a lot of support. It will take a long time, but it sounds as if they are headed in the right direction.

Julia
 
Slimething said:
Wow, is all I can say. Put me on that jury and he walks. I hope he scared the holy crap out of those kids.
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Give him a gun, let him pop the little ****ers, then put me on the jury and he'll still walk.
 
It seems people think that an appropriate response to bullying is to retaliate by bullying others who are not involved.
 
kerikiwi said:
It seems people think that an appropriate response to bullying is to retaliate by bullying others who are not involved.
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No, the appropriate response is to notify those in authority, but when they do nothing it it become appropriate to confront the bully, and those that stood by and allowed it to continue happening.
 
Not to mention that this kind of language is the only one the bullies understand. You can't use reason or kindness with them.
 
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No, the appropriate response is to notify those in authority, but when they do nothing it it become appropriate to confront the bully, and those that stood by and allowed it to continue happening.
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Appropriate to bully the non-bullies? Threaten to kill a bus driver? Intimidating a group of children?
 
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