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I still don't see what you have against seeing a doctor.
Michel has made it clear in the past that he has seen doctors but he didn't like what they told him so dismissed it.

ETA post from Michel's first thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=8383432#post8383432

I began hearing "voices in my head" in 1994 and, since then, I have talked about this phenomenon with physicians several times (either psychiatrists or general practitioners, also a neurologist). I have also been hospitalized in a mental health unit, in 1995. But I am afraid psychiatrists cannot help me a great deal, because I think I am a victim of mainly telepathic phenomena.
I would like to suggest that some of you direct a little more skepticism to the mysterious "schizophrenic voices in head", and perhaps a little less to telepathy.
 
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Refrain from making armchair medical diagnoses.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: kmortis
 
My apologies for implying that Scarlett is smuggible.

No offence was intended.

Hardly an armchair diagnosis, seeing as you are the worlds leading expert on the condition, originator of the term, sole practitioner in identification and diagnosis and most published author in the world on the topic.
 
Anyway what has happened to this thread. I was enjoying it.

Come on, it's a wet bank holiday, what am I supposed to have to entertain me. I want more madness, more accusations, more woo!

More aliens, more thought control, more bigfootery, well perhaps not more bigfeets in this exact thread, but.....

.....more armchair diagnoses, more back-pedalling and post hoc thingies, more hash tags, just more of everything.

Seeing as I am bereft of visionfromfeeling, my favourite ever, and looking for sceptics seems to have been looking in all the wrong places, it's up to Michel to pony up the goods.
 
... just more of everything.
Your every wish is my command:

Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything.......

In fact:

(Everything)n where n-> infinity.
 
Your every wish is my command:

Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything. Everything.......

In fact:

(Everything)n where n-> infinity.
Everything but telepathy, that is.
 
Hi, I invite you to participate in a new telepathy test. This test is the fourth test I propose on this forum.

At about 2:25 p.m. on this Friday April 11 (Brussels, Belgium time), I wrote carefully one of the four numbers: "1", "2", "3", "4" on my sheet of paper, and I surrounded it with a circle. Then, I wrote it again twice.

I shall repeat this number from time to time during this test.

I ask you to write it here (if you think you know it, even with a doubt). You may also answer "I don't know".


In this test, however, I ask you to not write immediately the number explicitly, in order to make the test more rigorous (more on this below).


I also ask you to write a comment, together with your numerical answer, or at least a small sentence.
In your comment, you may explain, for example, how confident you are that your number is the "correct" one, the one that I wrote. The comment you will write is important for me, in my method, because it should help me figure out if your answer is a quality one, a sincere answer, or just an answer of "inferior quality", which may nevertheless be interesting. I am planning to use your text to rate your answer, on a credibility scale between -10 and 10, like I did in my previous tests on this forum.

Please make sure it is not possible to infer your numerical answer from your comment (e.g. don't write: "I believe the correct answer is greater than one and smaller than three"). Otherwise, your answer will unfortunately have to be considered invalid.

A MD5 hash code for a complicated sentence containing my target number (like, for example: "The number I wrote is 5. f4315d 3b1àéùd81") is:
2ae41c33a0469b37b6c7848249026b0a

It was obtained on this website:
http://www.md5hashgenerator.com/ .

I shall reveal the actual sentence I used to produce this MD5 hash at the end of the test, after I have revealed the target. This way, you'll be able to verify my number.

In this thread, like in my previous test on this forum, I want to evaluate credibilities without any knowledge of the number you picked ("in a blind way"), to make sure that I don't get influenced or biased by the number you chose. This should make this test more rigorous, although at the cost of additional complexity. I hope this (rather minor) additional complexity will not deter you to participate in this test.

To achieve this greater rigor, I ask you to give your answer in two stages. In your first post, you should write your normal, complete answer, with the "guessed" number (1, 2, 3 or 4) replaced by "xx" . So, if your normal, complete answer is, for exemple:




(this answer was given by dlorde in a previous test, the number 2 he gave was correct),

post instead:

I'm going for 'xx'.

C'mon, tell us what the number was, so we know who's telepathic and who isn't.


I also ask you to post the MD5 hash of your numerical answer, together with a random string, using this website: http://www.md5hashgenerator.com, already mentioned above. For example taking again dlorde's previous answer as an example, post e.g. the MD5 hash of:

2. ouh&~#d jkjb→khf µ&~#-!?}§

which is:

14a47e1928cffdfdb4f7cc71eeca0fdc


People who answer "I don't know" (possibly with a text) don't have to introduce xx's in their answers (and there is no need for MD5 hashes either).

After a reasonable number of forum members have validly answered (if this "reasonable number" is ever achieved ), I should post my "credibility ratings" for all valid answers to this test (and also the number I wrote and circled). When this is done, you should post your numerical answer, together with the string you used to produce your MD5 hash. When all answerers have done that, I should then post the results of the test.

I explain briefly again, using the same example. You should make at least two posts. In your first post, you say:

"I'm going for 'xx'.

C'mon, tell us what the number was, so we know who's telepathic and who isn't.


My MD5 hash is: 14a47e1928cffdfdb4f7cc71eeca0fdc"


and, in your second "essential" post (not just a comment), you write:

"My number was a '2', and the string I used to produce the MD5 hash was:
2. ouh&~#d jkjb→khf µ&~#-!?}§"

Thank you for participating.
Thank you again for your answers. I now reveal the target number, it was a 2.

The character string I used to produce the MD5 hash above is: The number I wrote is a 2.. ùµ$à§ç@ zfgojhhfdvc

Now, the credibility ratings. I would like to stress that the credibilities I am about to give now may be only preliminary, as some new elements, that I am not aware of now, may lead me to revise them later. For example, the quality of the string used by a specific answerer to produce his/her MD5 may lead me to change his/her credibility assessment (e.g. 2 b⇋数为 µ&~#-!?}§ ùµ$à§ç@ z, with punctuation and rare Unicode characters is a lot safer than just 24). But, in spite of this, the credibilities I shall give now are "clean and safe", in the sense that I choose them without knowing the numerical answers.

Snorkio answered:
I object to this test on grounds that MD5 is not sufficiently secure for this application
The security of the MD5 hash function is severely compromised. A collision attack exists that can find collisions within seconds on a computer with a 2.6 GHz Pentium 4 processor (complexity of 224.1).[25] Further, there is also a chosen-prefix collision attack that can produce a collision for two inputs with specified prefixes within hours, using off-the-shelf computing hardware (complexity 239).[26] The ability to find collisions has been greatly aided by the use of off-the-shelf GPUs. On an NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS graphics processor, 16–18 million hashes per second can be computed. An NVIDIA GeForce 8800 Ultra can calculate more than 200 million hashes per second.[27]

These hash and collision attacks have been demonstrated in the public in various situations, including colliding document files[28][29] and digital certificates.[42]


My number is $$

sha1: dc477d742bea9f12ce091e224dba423bf6fe01a0
and he added:
In your sentence, you are using a few non-alpha numeric characters at the end, but I would bet 99% of people's responses would be plain alpha-numeric i.e. ascii characters which reduces the number of permutations needed to try to brute force it. It's not clear how long each string is, but you could probably guess that it's not going to be very long sentences, and pick rough number as your maximum length.

This thread goes on for days and weeks, how can we be sure you aren't brute force reversing these hashes right now?
I am guessing, although it's not clear at all from the requesting post, that ...
I find this poster a little aggressive, but his remarks are probably are probably among the most intelligent which have been made in this thread, even though SHA-1 is only about 30% slower than MD5. So, I give Snorkio a positive credibility rating (CR), equal to CR= 6.

Nay_Sayer answered:
With all my heart, Honest Abe, Scouts Honor, With sparkling eyes and child like innocence my number is

~~$$~~ c81e728d9d4c2f636f067f89cc14862c
and added later:
How can I make it more valid? What if I cross my heart hope to die stick a needle in my eye, double pinky swear no take backs?
So how will you know what any hash actually is?


ETA: Turns out there is an online Md5 hash decrypter
Regardless, All this talk of hashes, Credibility ratings is nothing but un-needed theatrics.

I suspect this test will go the same way as the last.
His name ("one who says no") is not very good for my telepathy tests. His question "So how will you know what any hash actually is?" seems to indicate he did not fully understand this test.
I choose: CR = 4.

scarlettinlondon answered:
...
I trust this answer is acceptable.

My answer is xx

My md5 thing is

e184378f0826b8a6aad2ccf516dce5ac
and added:
I am anxious to be involved in this experiment. Forgive me if I have misunderstood the protocol. I have looked at the original instructions.

I am quite sure of my number.
and also:
I would like to know if I was credible though. To be fair I made extensive preparations to receive the message. I used my dowsing rod, adorned with healing crystals. I also, just to be sure, wore my patented bigfoot suit. To crown my preparations, I sellotaped a picture of visionfromfeeling to my forehead and sprinkled homeopathic remedies around the environment. I then used my pendulum to guide my dowsing rod along the ley lines. I couldn't be any more sure of my response.
My intention was to demonstrate to Michel that the written word is an easy medium in which to communicate falsehoods and hide one's motives and it therefore cannot be relied upon.

Michel, you cannot rely on these answers. The appearance of sincerity is just that.

It is my belief that Michel may have an arts degree and therefore doesn't understand the scientific method.

He is perfectly entitled to look at written responses/comments in a qualitative way if he is interested.

Michel, you would really need to assign the job of giving a number value for perceived sincerity to a colleague to do. Then they can be used for an investigation into people's attitudes on an Internet board towards telepathy, nothing more useful I'm afraid. You cannot mix qualitative and quantitative data like this and expect to be taken seriously as a researcher.

Having said that, Michel, please listen when I say that no one on this forum is listening in to your thoughts.
I'm credible. Feeling smug.
I can't really see that it matters what really goes on with these hash thingies and credibility ratings as even if Michel comes back eventually with 100% accuracy scores, only a fool would view this test as legitimate research and take this thread as evidence for the existence of telepathy after all the post hoc shenanigans.

Except Michel of course. He believes. But even if he'd failed a properly constructed test, I doubt that it would shift his core belief that someone is listening in to his thoughts.

He seems rather calm for someone who thinks that his thoughts are audible to others. I wouldn't like mine to be broadcast willy nilly. Others with delicate sensibilities would be shocked.
Anyway what has happened to this thread. I was enjoying it.

Come on, it's a wet bank holiday, what am I supposed to have to entertain me. I want more madness, more accusations, more woo!

More aliens, more thought control, more bigfootery, well perhaps not more bigfeets in this exact thread, but.....

.....more armchair diagnoses, more back-pedalling and post hoc thingies, more hash tags, just more of everything.

Seeing as I am bereft of visionfromfeeling, my favourite ever, and looking for sceptics seems to have been looking in all the wrong places, it's up to Michel to pony up the goods.
Some of her posts are very different from each other, she was first rather nice, then much more critical, then she seemed embarrassed, and finally somewhat kinder again. I give her the credibility CR = 4.

I now ask Snorkio, Nay_Sayer, and scarlettinlondon to post their numerical answers, and also the character strings they used to produce their hash codes. I will send them a private message about this.
 
How can you be so sure it was a 4? (the hash I gave was for a 2).


The number I received was clearly a 4. Either you changed your mind at some point between transmitting your thought or there was a transcription error.


Or possibly I received a message from someone with greater telepathic power than yourself.


Am I supposed to adapt the target numbers to your answers, so that you always seem successful?


I'm Pharaoh and I don't care what you do.

You'll still always be wrong and I'll always be right.
 
That reminds me; Michel, do you hear the thoughts of other telepathic people?

I do hate to be a bore and keep asking but it seems such a simple question.
I have already answered this question of yours (which, I think, is not a bad one). Unfortunately, my answer was sent to the AAH section of this forum, which you may visit, as a member. I am not sure I may give the link here.
 
I have already answered this question of yours (which, I think, is not a bad one). Unfortunately, my answer was sent to the AAH section of this forum, which you may visit, as a member. I am not sure I may give the link here.

<edit> Snipped my rather sarcastic response. I didn't realise the answer had been given (but sent to AAH) only a few days ago. I presumed it was a message from way back.

So I gather that the voices you sometimes hear, which you attribute to other people rather than only existing in your head, are different from the way you think everyone else ought to hear you. Is that right? The voices you hear are directing messages particularly at you personally, but the thoughts of yours which you believe we all hear are not aimed at anyone in particular?

And one other point (which you may already have explained but sorry if I missed that too) - do you believe that all of your thoughts are available for anyone to overhear or is it only when you make a conscious effort to send out a particular thought that you think others will hear it?
 
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