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I wonder where you read that "I myself admitted suffering from schizophrenia".
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I wonder where you read that "I myself admitted suffering from schizophrenia".
calebprime
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No, that is Nonpareil's interpretation, the same as almost everyone else here.
Ah, you know it, so you must be really excellent at reading minds.
And what is the disease of a member who says about another member that "he admitted being schizophrenic" when he didn't?
I would like to remind you of this modbox:
If this goes on, I might start reporting posts (though I have never tried this, and I don't know what the result might be in a forum like this one, which seems to have a strong skeptical bias)
Nonpareil
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No, that is Michel H's own admission from an earlier thread.
He suffers from paranoid schizophrenia. He has attended therapy sessions for dealing with this, and has been prescribed medication. I believe that he also mentioned at some point that he is no longer taking his medication, but I am not certain of that.
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Pixel42
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IIRC Michel admitted being diagnosed schizophrenic but he rejects the diagnosis, and hence the medication that would control common symptoms of schizophrenia such as the delusion that others can hear your thoughts.
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Yes.
I don't dispute your sense or your research, nor do I question your intent.
What I was attempting to respond to was his legalistic denial of this; He probably doesn't believe that he actually has schizophrenia.
I didn't see, in your quoted posts, a quote such as "I have schizophrenia" or "I believe I have schizophrenia" -- put that literally.
And, because he didn't say that, literally, he challenges any post claiming that he did.
Therefore, I was calling any such post an interpretation.
Which wasn't helpful.
I'm not sure what, if anything, would be helpful, would improve the situation.
Loss Leader
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Michel has stated that he's been seen by doctors and psychiatrists and that he was hospitalized. He has never stated that he is schizophrenic. I know that he has shown great contempt for medications, but I don't think he has said that he'd ever specifically been prescribed one.
He has provided facts about his experiences, the behavior of his doctors, and the behavior of others (even his own mother) regarding his claimed telepathy. While these facts may or may not be entirely consistent with schizophrenia as typically observed, that is a conclusion of the reader. It is not something he has admitted. In fact, he has "admitted" the opposite: that people who accuse him of schizophrenia are using it to protect their egos from having to admit he has telepathy.
Nonpareil
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As Pixel42 stated, I recall him saying that he has been officially diagnosed as schizophrenic (I'm not particularly concerned with whether or not he wants to try and contest that as an admission of actually being schizophrenic; if he weren't having issues with it, this thread would not exist). As I have been through this whole song and dance at least three times already, with the thread just being revived a few months later, I am not particularly inclined to go digging through Michel's post history to find it again, but the main point stands.
This thread isn't going anywhere, and any form of engagement with Michel on this front can only be harmful.
Just let it die.
According to your assesment of a complete strangers posts and objectives
The statements above by Loss Leader seem much more accurate to me than the quoted statements by Nonpareil, and even Pixel42.
Nonpareil, hearing voices in your head does not necessarily mean schizophrenia. According to wikipedia,
Schizophrenia is a mental disorder characterized by abnormal social behavior and failure to understand reality.[2] Common symptoms include false beliefs, unclear or confused thinking, hearing voices, reduced social engagement and emotional expression, and a lack of motivation.
This article is not saying "Hearing voices necessarily implies schizophrenia". And, even if it did, I don't think wikipedia is always reliable, but it is often a good starting point for a study or a research.
Some people might hear "telepathic voices" like a "telephone in their head" but this does not necessarily mean "abnormal social behavior, reduced social engagement and failure to understand reality." For example, I have made about 771 posts on just this forum (I have contributed to several other forums as well), and the threads I started here have been viewed more than 180,000 times. It seems to me this means I am not a socially withdrawn person who rarely interacts with other people, except (rarely) with my mother, my sister, my father, and a psychiatrist. I believe talking with people on internet forums (and other websites) is a form of modern social interaction. It is sometimes very convenient to be able to talk with other people who are thousand of miles away, in a very inexpensive way (much cheaper than the telephone), and without having to take a plane (incidentally, it is also better for the environment).
Regarding "failure to understand reality", somebody said, about one of my tests on this forum:
One can perhaps argue that, if I was a deeply idiotic and schizophrenic individual, such an observation (and similar observations) would not have been made.
By the way, are you sure you don't sometimes have a little trouble understanding reality, Nonpareil?
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Regarding failures to understand, I don't remember the context of that quote from Ashles, but it looks sarcastic to me so I'm inclined to think the implied meaning is the opposite of the literal meaning.
If you want to see context, you may click on the little blue horizontal arrow next to Ashles' name (on the right) here:
This should take you to his post, and you will be able to appreciate context.
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Thanks, but that doesn't show up on my phone.
Pixel42
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Ashles was commenting on one of Michel's utterly worthless 'choose one of four numbers and I'll pick the answers I like' tests. So yes, the post is dripping with sarcasm, as anyone who didn't have a problem understanding reality would have immediately recognised.
Ah ok, then I give you a simple link: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=9444501#post9444501
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Ah, right. Well now I see that on the day it was posted someone pointed out that it looked like sarcasm.
It still looks like sarcasm.
It still looks like sarcasm.
Loss Leader
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The very fact that you think that is itself a demonstration of several schizophrenic traits.
Rather than rely on a single person's statement, why not take this self-quiz?
It is only twelve questions, but I think that if you answer honestly it will indicate strong schizophrenic tendencies. You do hear voices others do not and you do talk back to them. You do have difficulty expressing yourself as is evidenced by how hard it has been for you to convince anyone here that your view of testing/credibility/probability is at all logical. You don't have a lot of contact with your family. You've said you have powers that nobody can explain and that people are out to get you. You believe you're being treated unfairly because of your abilities (you think we're lying or teasing you with our answers and you accuse us of engaging in a conspiracy to deny your powers).
Take the quiz. I hope you won't disregard the results.
LL, you said:
You do hear voices others do not and you do talk back to them.
I would rather say: "I do hear voices and I do talk back to them."(without the "others do not" part). The reason for this is that my apparent "thought broadcasting" is (in my opinion) so strong that many people are probably well aware of the torture and harassment I have to go through (and I believe there is evidence for this, for example car drivers near my apartment honking in a way that appears to be correlated with what the voices have recently told me).
You do have difficulty expressing yourself as is evidenced by how hard it has been for you to convince anyone here that your view of testing/credibility/probability is at all logical.
It's not up to me to say if I express myself well or not. However, I note that calebprime said recently:
(thank you, caleb)
In addition, contrary to what you seem to believe, I don't feel it has been hard to "convince anyone here that my view of testing/credibility/probability is at all logical."
These few quotes prove it:
(shortly after I presented the analysis of the first test)
(sorry for repeating this)
(Problem: he seemed to change his mind later, like ..., like whom? Who seemed to change his mind later? Well, I don't remember. Anyway, changing his mind is not necessarily a sign of schizophrenia
)I believe that the statements above were most probably made by people who were sincere and serious when they said these things (I see no reason to doubt this). There are probably not many parapsychologists in the world who can boast such positive comments about their work, on a skeptical site.
You've said you have powers that nobody can explain and that people are out to get you. You believe you're being treated unfairly because of your abilities (you think we're lying or teasing you with our answers and you accuse us of engaging in a conspiracy to deny your powers).
Well, let's say that I hear hostile voices. But this doesn't necessarily mean that, for example, you, Loss Leader, or your wife, are using your telepathic powers to say nasty things in my head (the voices usually express themselves in French). Large scale criminal phenomena affecting weak people are frequently of some complexity. Let's say also that I believe that people on this ("skeptical") forum are frequently intellectually dishonest, and that they emphasize things, of which they probably don't even believe the first word themselves. I believe that many on this forum could be described as "skeptical actors". I believe also that many (but not all) of the comments in "my telepathy threads" have been, hmm, let's say, a little bit "on the stupid side".
Now, your schizophrenia test (though I don't believe it's likely I am a schizophrenia sufferer, I briefly answer to it with the hope of clarifying a few things for the members of this forum):
1. I feel that others control what I think and feel.
No, not at all. I hear voices, but this doesn't mean that voices control me.
2. I hear or see things that others do not hear or see.
Well, I believe probably other people know about these voices too. Here I hesitate between "Not at all", "Just a little", and "Somewhat". If I have to choose, I choose "Not at all" because I believe my thought broadcasting is probably very strong.
3. I feel it is very difficult for me to express myself in words that others can understand.
Not at all.
4. I feel I share absolutely nothing in common with others, including my friends and family.
Not at all.
5. I believe in more than one thing about reality and the world around me that nobody else seems to believe in.
Not at all. (Note that they say "more than one thing". I feel that I frequently have opinions that are different from the views of the majority, but I would not go so far as to say that nobody else holds these views. I remember that my maternal grandmother once told me: "Michel you have to be like the others". This is something I have never forgotten, and I believe there is truth in this.)
6. Others don't believe me when I tell them the things I see or hear.
When I explain the voices, I usually don't get the reaction that people don't believe the symptoms. Some people don't seem to believe the explanation (which doesn't mean they really don't believe it).
Not at all.
7. I can't trust what I'm thinking because I don't know if it's real or not.
I wonder if the person who created this questionnaire doesn't have herself light symptoms of schizophrenia, because I don't find this question very clear.
Not at all
8. I have magical powers that nobody else has or can explain.
Not at all.
I believe I have a telepathic specificity that other people know, but are reluctant to recognize. I don't believe I have magical powers. Telepathy is not magical, radio is not magical either. You should perhaps read the book "Mental Radio" by Upton Sinclair, with a preface by Einstein for the German edition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_Radio).
9. Others are plotting to get me.
Not sure the word "plot" is really appropriate here. For example, when people lie to me on this forum, I don't think they really need to secretly discuss together for half an hour before answering. I believe people lie a lot on this forum, and they do so probably because they don't like to tell a certain truth, and because they feel protected by the lies of others. Most of the persecution against me does not really require "plotting". It's perhaps easy for anyone to say telepathically "Kill yourself", no plotting needed (although there might be plotting, I don't know). I also want to say that I have been doing telepathy tests for several years, and people (volunteers) have helped me in this.
Not at all. (with a doubt)
10. I find it difficult to get a hold of my thoughts.
Not at all.
11. I am treated unfairly because others are jealous of my special abilities.
Not at all.
I believe I am probably "special", different from the majority as far as telepathy is concerned. But I do not view this as a good quality which should raise jealousy.
12. I talk to another person or other people inside my head that nobody else can hear.
Not at all.
I believe I (probably) talk telepathically to other people, who are different from me, and who are outside my head.
At the end of the test, your website http://psychcentral.com/cgi-bin/schizophreniaquiz.cgi said:
"... You have answered this schizophrenia screening in such a way as to suggest that you are not likely currently suffering from schizophrenia or a schizophrenia-related disorder. ..." (I have, however, had doubts for questions 2 and 9, so perhaps another result could have been possible; I don't rule out giving different answers if I take this test again at another time)
Note that, at the bottom of their "schizophrenia screening test", they say:
Used here under fair use; scoring has been adopted for online use.
They probably meant "adapted", instead of "adopted". This seems to confirm my suspicion that the authors of this test might be suffering from a very light form of schizophrenia themselves. Nothing serious though
Thank you, kyrani99. I appreciate your answer particularly for two reasons. The first one is that you are in Australia, and I am particularly interested in answers from people in Australasia, because of the large distance between my country (Belgium) and Australasia. The second reason is that you are a person who believes in telepathy, and who has some theories about this apparent phenomenon.
Perhaps fromdownunder (who is in Australia) and cullennz (who is in New Zealand) could give answers to the test as well. I have just repeated the target number.
Both fromdownunder and cullennz have participated in a previous test:
Loss Leader
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*sigh*
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