New telepathy test, the sequel.

Dave Rogers said:
We can add the scientific method to the long list of things you're wrong about, then. And let me point out that your analogy is flawed; you got six answers, which were nn, 7, 9, 8, 1 and 7.

Dave
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It was not an analogy, it was an hypothetical example, in order to show the fundamental importance of being open-minded, and to adapt to what really takes place.

About these answers on Yahoo Answers, the first answer (for example) said:
"7
No question about it.
And, if it is not 7, double check, you are the one who made a mistake."
It seems to me that this somewhat (superficially) aggressive and arrogant answer can immediately be discarded as not credible. On the other hand, an answer "nn", suggesting "no no" is of interest and may be sincere, because I know that sometimes people suggest answers, instead of giving them clearly (for example, by answering "i" when the correct answer is "1"), and because there seems to be a great reluctance to accept the idea of my telepathy.
 
Is this the point for me to say that the duplicated 'and' that Michel is torturously trying to claim as a hit (against any kind of sense, reason or scientific method) was probably due to Android autocorrect.
 
Michel H said:
It was not an analogy, it was an hypothetical example, in order to show the fundamental importance of being open-minded, and to adapt to what really takes place.

About these answers on Yahoo Answers, the first answer (for example) said:
"7
No question about it.
And, if it is not 7, double check, you are the one who made a mistake."
It seems to me that this somewhat (superficially) aggressive and arrogant answer can immediately be discarded as not credible. On the other hand, an answer "nn", suggesting "no no" is of interest and may be sincere, because I know that sometimes people suggest answers, instead of giving them clearly (for example, by answering "i" when the correct answer is "1"), and because there seems to be a great reluctance to accept the idea of my telepathy.
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I think a credibility system could be fine, IF you had a reasonable protocol in place before you began. The fact that you have refused to develop such a thing is compelling evidence that you have no interest in really testing your claimed abilities. If you really believed you have the abilities you claim, you would be eager to create quality testing methods.

If a test is going to accept letter counts, as your recent example suggested, it would always have to accept letter counts for every answer. But you only accept that method when it gives you an answer you like. An honest test would never allow for unique protocols based on the answer you are trying to find.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Is this the point for me to say that the duplicated 'and' that Michel is torturously trying to claim as a hit (against any kind of sense, reason or scientific method) was probably due to Android autocorrect.
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It also happens to be one of the most common errors people make in writing when they correct a sentence, or pause mid sentence. The human brain reads what it thinks should be there and ignores the error. Example:

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It is also, having scanned this thread, why people shouldn't engage with such horrendously flawed methodology with a guy who clearly has issues. It's not going to be helpful even if he weren't very likely borderline schizophrenic. As is, it's always going to result in indulging his delusions.
 
Bladesman87 said:
It also happens to be one of the most common errors people make in writing when they correct a sentence, or pause mid sentence. The human brain reads what it thinks should be there and ignores the error. Example:

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It is also, having scanned this thread, why people shouldn't engage with such horrendously flawed methodology with a guy who clearly has issues. It's not going to be helpful even if he weren't very likely borderline schizophrenic. As is, it's always going to result in indulging his delusions.
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The example you are quoting ("A BIRD IN THE THE BUSH", with (importantly) four successive lines in an attention-catching blue and white triangle), which is explained here: http://www.moillusions.com/eye-to-brain-coordination/
is very different from
P.J. Denyer said:
... Extending this farce is pointless and and not helping you.
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I never noticed that P.J. Denyer's anomalous two "and"s were on two different lines.
 
Michel H said:
The example you are quoting ("A BIRD IN THE THE BUSH", with (importantly) four successive lines in an attention-catching blue and white triangle), which is explained here: http://www.moillusions.com/eye-to-brain-coordination/
is very different from

I never noticed that P.J. Denyer's anomalous two "and"s were on two different lines.
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No, it's not different. It's the same explanation as to why people don't notice when they repeat a word like "and" or "this". It's an incredibly common mistake if you look out for it on forum posts or blogs or any other not very stringently proof-read writing. It happens all the time. But you're trying to read significance into it only as and when it suits you.
 
If the number had been anything other than 2, I wonder what the post-hoc justification would have been for the word "echo" or a singly repeated word actually indicating 3, or 7, or "hovercraft". I'll bet there would have been one.

Dave
 
Bladesman87 said:
No, it's not different. It's the same explanation as to why people don't notice when they repeat a word like "and" or "this". It's an incredibly common mistake if you look out for it on forum posts or blogs or any other not very stringently proof-read writing. It happens all the time. ...
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Sorry, Bladesman87, but I usually don't see lots of "and and" or "this this" on forum posts or blogs. The blue triangle you mentioned was a very cleverly designed trick (I actually didn't notice myself, when I read it first, that the word "the" was repeated in it). I also didn't see you post "it's not not different" ;) (I think I would have noticed it).
 
Dave Rogers said:
If the number had been anything other than 2, I wonder what the post-hoc justification would have been for the word "echo" or a singly repeated word actually indicating 3, or 7, or "hovercraft". I'll bet there would have been one.

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It's interesting that you mention "hovercraft", because, precisely today, I saw the picture of a hovercraft a few hours ago.
 
Michel H said:
Sorry, Bladesman87, but I usually don't see lots of "and and" or "this this" on forum posts or blogs. The blue triangle you mentioned was a very cleverly designed trick (I actually didn't notice myself, when I read it first, that the word "the" was repeated in it). I also didn't see you post "it's not not different" ;) (I think I would have noticed it).
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Bollocks. I regularly do it myself. It is a common mistake. The reason you haven't noticed it is a common way the human brain glosses over the errors and reads the meaning.

For example, if I remove all all of the vowels from a sentence rendering gibberish, you would still be able to figure out said statements meaning. For example, quoting your post:

Sorry, Bladesman87, but I usually don't see lots of "and and" or "this this" on forum posts or blogs.
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Sorry, Bladesman87, but I usually don't see see lots of "and and" or "this this" on forum posts or blogs.
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Read both quotes. Your brain will simply skip over the extraneous "see".
 
Michel H said:
It's interesting that you mention "hovercraft", because, precisely today, I saw the picture of a hovercraft a few hours ago.
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Why is that in in any way interesting?

I have seen many hovercraft? I have seen many pictures of hovercraft for for many years. They are interesting, but hardly unusual.
 
Michel H said:
Sorry, Bladesman87, but I usually don't see lots of "and and" or "this this" on forum posts or blogs. The blue triangle you mentioned was a very cleverly designed trick (I actually didn't notice myself, when I read it first, that the word "the" was repeated in it). I also didn't see you post "it's not not different" ;) (I think I would have noticed it).
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It's a very common problem in proof reading, and a very common mistake. That's why it took me two seconds to google that picture example of it.
 
Rincewind said:
But -have you seen one full of eels?
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Strangely enough, I was thinking of eels as well. I think that means that at least one of us must be telepathic.

Dave

PS: Michel, the above is a sarcastic humorous reference to the classic British comedy series "Monty Python's Flying Circus," which is a common cultural reference to me and to Rincewind, and one so pervasive that the majority of the British population of a certain age range, when encountering a random reference to the word "hovercraft," will inevitably think if eels in the same way that the William Tell Overture makes them think of the Lone Ranger. It is not in any way, shape or form evidence in favour of the existence of telepathy. This disclaimer void where prohibited by law. Other terms and conditions apply. Please tip your waiter.
 
Dave Rogers said:
Strangely enough, I was thinking of eels as well. I think that means that at least one of us must be telepathic.

Dave

PS: Michel, the above is a sarcastic humorous reference to the classic British comedy series "Monty Python's Flying Circus," which is a common cultural reference to me and to Rincewind, and one so pervasive that the majority of the British population of a certain age range, when encountering a random reference to the word "hovercraft," will inevitably think if eels in the same way that the William Tell Overture makes them think of the Lone Ranger. It is not in any way, shape or form evidence in favour of the existence of telepathy. This disclaimer void where prohibited by law. Other terms and conditions apply. Please tip your waiter.
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I fully agree with Dave... Neither of us is telepathic.
 
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