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Are you serious, it hasn't dawned on you it went around the school because the boys bragged?

Just a guess: Probably the effect of her being doxed, harassed, and threatened.

Did it dawn on you that had that been the case, she would have said so?

Stop supplying made up facts to fill yawning holes in the since deleted story that she doesn't want to talk about.
 
Yeah it does.

Happy to walk you through it:

Claim: PJ, BK, Judge and I were at a party and he tried to take off my bathing suit, and judge saw it happen.
PJ: I have no knowledge of the party in question; nor do I have any knowledge of the allegations of improper conduct
BK: never happened
Judge: I never saw Brett act in the manner Dr. Ford describes

Three unequivocal denials.
Would you please respond to my post #785? It is a sincere question, if that’s at all a concern.
 
Presumably there were more than these 3 people at this alleged party.

There were presumably a lot of parties in the day that lots of people were attending.

If the question is, "Were you ever at a party where you saw her and him also in attendance?" The answer for many is going to be yes, and the answer for many is going to be "I don't remember."

To try to pinpoint it to a single party is a fool's errand.
 
Would you please respond to my post #785? It is a sincere question, if that’s at all a concern.

I did not see that question.

It would appear that three of the four do not wish to testify under oath.

Ford wants to delay it.

The other two want to avoid being whipping boys for a pack of grandstanding senators.
 
The FBI ain’t her private investigator, particularly for something that isn’t a federal crime in the first place, and on which the statute of limitations ran decades ago.

Lets reschedule the vote, and assign this stall tactic to the dustbin of history
Wrong on two counts.

1. The FBI is in fact the agency that conducts background checks, including interviewing witnesses and investigating allegations unrelated to criminal matters. I have been interviewed by the FBI when friends sought security clearances. My friends have been interviewed about me when I sought a security clearance. Indeed, they have already done investigations into Kavanaugh's background.

I'm not necessarily saying they ought to be the ones to check this out, but I can't think of a reason why they couldn't.

2. Maryland has no statute of limitations for sexual assault. (I heard it on Rush Limbaugh today, so it must be true.)

Actually, correct on both counts:

Please see the analysis in this article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.3419a45aad5a

Ya know, you're right. I made a common mistake that I see again and again on ISF, by responding not to what you actually said, but to what I thought you must have meant. Really bad idea. I took your words about Ms. Ford and the FBI and tried to twist them into something intelligent. That was a mistake. Your comment about the FBI not being her private investigator was utterly vacuous, but it was correct.


As for the statute of limitations, I think most people would recognize that I was suspicious of my own assertion, and that suspicion was why I listed my source. It appears Rush Limbaugh was incorrect. Fortunately, you posted information from the Washington Post that corrected the error.
 
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It really is though. Our memories are completely unreliable, check out those links I posted earlier. It should teach us humility. The human evolution blog is especially relevant and has links to research on the matter.
No, they are not completely unreliable, and that's where your thesis goes completely off course. If our memories were "completely unreliable," then human civilization would not exist as it so obviously does.

There are simply things we're likely to remember clearly and things we're not.

I may not remember a clown in the background while I'm looking at a beautiful woman, but if that beautiful woman suddenly approaches me and asks permission to kiss me, I'm probably going to remember that kiss. If she tells me her name, I'm more likely to remember that, too, given the unusual circumstance and my emotional connections to the event.
 
I have to disagree. I have lost all faith in a male GOP senator doing the right thing.

I think this is correct. Collins, Flake, Murkowski, Corker, et al. have all signaled they want to vote him in.

"I think it's not fair for Judge Kavanaugh for her not to come forward and testify," Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, a crucial swing vote, told local radio station WVOM.

The comments by Collins, who as one of the more moderate Republican senators is seen as a key vote on the nomination, are the latest sign that if Ford declines to testify, it could help Kavanaugh's chances at winning confirmation to the Supreme Court. Already, key Republicans like Sens. Bob Corker and Jeff Flake -- who had been on-the-fence after the new allegations of sexual misconduct from Kavanaugh's high school days in the 1980s -- are saying they're prepared to move ahead with the nomination if she won't testify before the committee.

Collins called on Ford to testify Monday, either in public (her preference) or in a private setting by the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Asked about Ford's request to allow the FBI to investigate Ford's allegations first, Collins said that would "it seems to me, that this reverses the normal order of things."

"Usually the FBI does not pursue allegations against a nominee that occurred when the nominee was a minor," Collins, who is not a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, told the radio show. "It seems to me what we should be doing is bringing these two individuals before the committee. ... If we need additional help from the FBI, then the committee can ask for it."

Linky.

Interestingly, in the Anita Hill case, not only were other witnesses called, but the White House did in fact ask for the FBI to investigate.

The current Republican line is all about "process" and how "accommodating" Grassley is being by offering this hearing, or a private one. The hearing is so that they can say they dealt with the matter, and then they will go on and vote for him.
 
The more I think about this, the less I think there ought to be an FBI investigation.

The alleged events took place (allegedly) 36 years ago. Anyone who does not want to talk about that part of their lives should be allowed to just let it rest. If they wish to speak out, of course they may do so, and I'm sure they will find a willing audience. I strongly suspect they would be allowed to testify to the Senate if they have information that might be relevant. However, the high school classmates of Ford and Kavanaugh may have children or grandchildren, and their activities as drunken adolescents may not be something they want to share in a forum where those kids can find out about. I don't think they should be compelled to provide whatever evidence remains in their memory.
 
You got her statement, tell us where there is any support for that speculation.

Bumping this. She said there were five people at the party.

Four boys and her.

We have heard from 3 of the 4 boys.

5 people, and she does not remember whose house she was at??
 
And then there's Senator Hirono saying that the men in this country should just shut up.


Oh.....my......god.


The stupid is strong in that one. She was wrong on so many levels.
 
And then there's Senator Hirono saying that the men in this country should just shut up.


Oh.....my......god.


The stupid is strong in that one. She was wrong on so many levels.

Wow. I saw that on twitter, and I thought people were kidding.

That is incredibly stupid.
 
And then there's Senator Hirono saying that the men in this country should just shut up.


Oh.....my......god.


The stupid is strong in that one. She was wrong on so many levels.

It can be a bad soundbite, but from the context the emphasis was more on the second part of the sentence, to "step up":

"I expect all of the enlightened men in our country, 'cause there must be millions of men out there who are enlightened, who also will rise up to say we cannot continue the victimization and the smearing of someone like Dr. Ford,” Hirono said. “And you know what, she is under no obligation to participate in the Republican efforts to sweep this whole thing under the rug, to continue this nomination on the fast track and to participate in a smear campaign and basically a railroad job. This is what they did to Anita Hill.”

But it was what Hirono said in response to a reporter’s question that turned the most heads. The reporter, who was not identified in video footage of the news conference, asked whether the four women on the Senate Judiciary Committee — all Democrats — could affect its deliberations over Kavanaugh. Hirono said it shouldn’t just come down to the women.

“Guess who is perpetrating all of these kinds of actions? It’s the men in this country,” Hirono said. “I just want to say to the men in this country: Just shut up and step up. Do the right thing, for a change.”

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On Wednesday, she doubled down, saying on CNN’s “New Day” that “this kind of behavior — sexual harassment, sexual assault — it’s been going on."

“It’s not just something for the women in this country to care about,” she said, “it’s for all of us. That’s why I’ve said to the men: ‘Just shut up and step up.’ And you know, for the men who are offended by this, you should ask yourself: Why are you offended by this? Why don’t you ask yourself: What about this offends you? We should all be holding together. We should all be treating each other like human beings.”

Linky.
 
And then there's Senator Hirono saying that the men in this country should just shut up.

Oh.....my......god.

The stupid is strong in that one. She was wrong on so many levels.


That's not quite her whole statement.
But it was what Hirono said in response to a reporter’s question that turned the most heads. The reporter, who was not identified in video footage of the news conference, asked whether the four women on the Senate Judiciary Committee — all Democrats — could affect its deliberations over Kavanaugh. Hirono said it shouldn’t just come down to the women.

“Guess who is perpetrating all of these kinds of actions? It’s the men in this country,” Hirono said. “I just want to say to the men in this country: Just shut up and step up. Do the right thing, for a change.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-kavanaugh-accusation/?utm_term=.112671cb4f33

She's pretty clearly talking about men who would defend or excuse conduct like (allegedly) Kavanaugh's.
 
Well, we have reached the point where people are actually trying to defend this:

“I just want to say to the men in this country: Just shut up and step up. Do the right thing, for a change.”

Oh well.
 
Bumping this. She said there were five people at the party.

Four boys and her.

We have heard from 3 of the 4 boys.

5 people, and she does not remember whose house she was at??

I have a superb memory, and I've been to parties and not remembered where or whose house it was (because they were unplanned events involving a friend of a friend).

It has been amusing to hear Republicans unironically complain that the opposition is just "trying to stall this nomination until after the election."
 
McCaskill is one of the vulnerable red state Dems, and she just announced her decision. She's not focusing on the accusation or abortion, but campaign finance:

McCaskill called the allegations "disturbing" but said she would "set them aside" when deciding how to vote on Kavanaugh.

"I have been thorough in examining Judge Kavanaugh’s record," McCaskill said in the statement. "And while the recent allegations against him are troubling and deserve a thorough and fair examination by the Senate Judiciary Committee, my decision is not based on those allegations but rather on his positions on several key issues, most importantly the avalanche of dark, anonymous money that is crushing our democracy."

Linky.
 
Sen. Gillibrand is outright encouraging her not to go:

"I don't think she should be bullied into this scenario, where it's a 'he-said, she-said' when many of the committee members have already made up their minds," Gillibrand said Wednesday, when asked if she hopes Ford appears for a scheduled special session of the committee on Monday.

“Without the benefit of an FBI investigation … and without the benefit of corroborating witnesses being able to testify, it’s a sham hearing," Gillibrand continues, "and I don’t think she should participate."

Linky.
 
I have to disagree. I have lost all faith in a male GOP senator doing the right thing.

GOP women Senators
Lisa Murkowski - moderate Republican
Susan Collins -
Shelley Moore Capito - "moderate Republican"

Joni Ernst -
Deb Fischer - "conservative"

That's 3 possible and 2 doubtful women Senators.

I'm not saying there's a high probability here.
 
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