New Questions on New Day of 2006

[Dr. A Sheikh]

As has already been pointed out in another thread, it is virtually impossible to prove that it is not me. ?

My purpose of asking the question was there are so many things which are reality but cannot be proved easily. Will you accept it?

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

No, he hasn't. He's just mentioned some hypothetical chemicals without identifying them: This does not tell us what these compounds and minerals are. Without knowing that, it is impossible to say how they will react in solution.

It is safe to say, though, that if you sequentially dilute a finite number of atoms enough times, there will be none left.

The members of the randi forum are continously saying that homeopaths cannot understand the simple middle standard chemistry. You do not know that all the equations which are derived in mathematics are derived on the basis of "Suppose". If you remove "suppose" from mathematics, you cannot derive a equation.

Could you not suppose that there are so many compounds in plants eg. a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k,..... ? It means you are not serious in your discussion.

 

[delphi_ote]

The members of the randi forum are continously saying that homeopaths cannot understand the simple middle standard chemistry. You do not know that all the equations which are derived in mathematics are derived on the basis of "Suppose". If you remove "suppose" from mathematics, you cannot derive a equation.

Could you not suppose that there are so many compounds in plants eg. a, b, c, d, e, f, g, h, i, j, k,..... ? It means you are not serious in your discussion.

As for those thought it does not possess, you speak. This one most end is wasteful. As for you being whoever, it cannot understand. In order in to try you in order to inspect that, they do not understand the topic you itself try the fact that you inspect, as for you it can speak language. They like the complete fool come here.

 

[Nucular]

nucular, the information given in signature is derived from the 100 pages, how can I link one page or post in reference. you will accept it when you will understand it what you people have written in your posts.

Sheikh, you have clearly misunderstood, wilfully or otherwise, the position every single sceptic in these exchanges has taken.

Not one single person here has claimed that preparations at 1X will have no physiological effect; indeed, lengthy exchanges as to the limit of dilution beyond which no physiological effect can be observed have taken place.

What has been claimed is that the effect may or not be 'curative' or beneficial, for specific conditions, unless this is shown to be so. This is an entirely different question to whether high-dilution solutions - beyond avagadro, blah blah - have any effect at all.

Hope that clears it up. Perhaps a language barrier. Now change your signature, thanks.

 

[Metullus]

As for those thought it does not possess, you speak. This one most end is wasteful. As for you being whoever, it cannot understand. In order in to try you in order to inspect that, they do not understand the topic you itself try the fact that you inspect, as for you it can speak language. They like the complete fool come here.

My thoughts exactly...

 

[Dr. A Sheikh]

thank you for your frustrated remarks.

 

[H'ethetheth]

Dr Sheikh, please notice four words you seem to ignore a lot:

Originally posted by Mojo, MRC_Hans and who knows who else several times
...finite number of atoms...

This is imoportant. At some point you will run out of solute.
If you mix your solution, which I understand homeopaths do, your solute may fall apart into 10000 different constituents and still you will run out of solute at 14c.

...But there's more:

Expecting a 30c solution to have any solute in it is reasonable only if you have tried to dissolve about a mole of a substance that falls apart into more than 10³⁶ constituents.
In a best case scenario (in which hydrogen is all of the constituents) the mass of the initial mole of solute would have been 2x10³³ kg, or roughly 10 times the mass of Betelgeuze, which is, incidentally, also mostly made of hydrogen.

 

[Hawk one]

So H'ethethethe, I just want to make sure I've understood this properly:

In order to have a reasonable chance of one hydrogen atom from the original solvent to appear in a 30C solution, this original solvent would need the mass of ten really big stars?

 

[Metullus]

Dr Sheikh, please notice four words you seem to ignore a lot:


This is imoportant. At some point you will run out of solute.
If you mix your solution, which I understand homeopaths do, your solute may fall apart into 10000 different constituents and still you will run out of solute at 14c.

...But there's more:

Expecting a 30c solution to have any solute in it is reasonable only if you have tried to dissolve about a mole of a substance that falls apart into more than 10³⁶ constituents.
In a best case scenario (in which hydrogen is all of the constituents) the mass of the initial mole of solute would have been 2x10³³ kg, or roughly 10 times the mass of Betelgeuze, which is, incidentally, also mostly made of hydrogen.

So, you're saying that any lab in which one could effect such a "best case scenerio" would likely be somewhat larger than your average pharmacy? Maybe even more than twice as big?

 

[Ducky]

Dr. Sheikh please explain how homeopathy can cure my cancer.

Oh and also, I'd like to see an answer to the Gilmore Girls question. If you would like, I will also answer that question as a show of faith. Often I imagine I'm Rory and that I am having a pajama party with her asian friend.

 

[H'ethetheth]

So H'ethethethe, I just want to make sure I've understood this properly:

In order to have a reasonable chance of one hydrogen atom from the original solvent to appear in a 30C solution, this original solvent would need the mass of ten really big stars?

...in a litre of solvent, yes, I think so; except it should be "one hydrogen molecule" (H₂), otherwise you would need only five, but I wasn't sure if single hydrogen atoms are around much in homeopathic solutions.

 

[Hawk one]

Ahh, that "in a litre" of solvent is a detail not to be missed, naturally. So now all MAS needs to do to make his 30C solution contain some actual solvent is to first find enough solvent to -at least- make up ten stars (Though since most active ingredients are in fact not hydrogen molecules, it can easily be 20, 50, or more, I'd guess), and then compress all this into a density that will pretty much make the place turn into a black hole, before he finally dillutes this 30 times.

And yet people wonder why we're skeptical of the claims of homeopathy?

Oh, and thanks for your contribution in educating this layman, H'ethetheth.

 

[Metullus]

So the lab would have to be, say, as much as four times larger than your neighborhood pharmacy?

Wow.

 

[H'ethetheth]

Ahh, that "in a litre" of solvent is a detail not to be missed, naturally. So now all MAS needs to do to make his 30C solution contain some actual solvent is to first find enough solvent to -at least- make up ten stars (Though since most active ingredients are in fact not hydrogen molecules, it can easily be 20, 50, or more, I'd guess), and then compress all this into a density that will pretty much make the place turn into a black hole, before he finally dillutes this 30 times.

And yet people wonder why we're skeptical of the claims of homeopathy?

Oh, and thanks for your contribution in educating this layman, H'ethetheth.

Come to think of it, the amount of solvent is irrelevant of course. On the upside though, the compression into a black hole will take care of itself at those masses, so you might as well dissolve it in a litre.

Also: my pleasure.

 

[Metullus]

Dr. Sheikh please explain how homeopathy can cure my cancer.

Oh and also, I'd like to see an answer to the Gilmore Girls question. If you would like, I will also answer that question as a show of faith. Often I imagine I'm Rory and that I am having a pajama party with her asian friend.

There is something fundementally wrong with you, fs.

 

[H'ethetheth]

So the lab would have to be, say, as much as four times larger than your neighborhood pharmacy?

Wow.

Yes, homeopathy is a wonderful trade. They are, how do they put it, "lightyears ahead" of current science (and pharmacy architecture).

 

[Ducky]

There is something fundementally wrong with you, fs.

Well I am sure we won't get answers to my questions anymore than we will the direct scientific ones.

Besides, who doesn't imagine they're in the middle of a hot chick pajama party?

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Dr. Sheikh please explain how homeopathy can cure my cancer.

Oh and also, I'd like to see an answer to the Gilmore Girls question. If you would like, I will also answer that question as a show of faith. Often I imagine I'm Rory and that I am having a pajama party with her asian friend.

Wow! I often imagine I am her asian friend!

 

[Metullus]

*snip*
Besides, who doesn't imagine they're in the middle of a hot chick pajama party?

Dude, that's my reality.

 

[Ducky]

Wow! I often imagine I am her asian friend!

Does that mean we've done it?