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'Many Worlds'

"[...]The fundamental idea of the MWI, going back to Everett 1957, is that there are myriads of worlds in the Universe in addition to the world we are aware of. In particular, every time a quantum experiment with different outcomes with non-zero probability is performed, all outcomes are obtained, each in a different world, even if we are aware only of the world with the outcome we have seen. In fact, quantum experiments take place everywhere and very often, not just in physics laboratories: even the irregular blinking of an old fluorescent bulb is a quantum experiment.
There are numerous variations and reinterpretations of the original Everett proposal, most of which are briefly discussed in the entry on Everett's relative state formulation of quantum mechanics. Here, a particular approach to the MWI (which differs from the popular "actual splitting worlds" approach in De Witt 1970) will be presented in detail, followed by a discussion relevant for many variants of the MWI.

The MWI consists of two parts:

A mathematical theory which yields evolution in time of the quantum state of the (single) Universe.
A prescription which sets up a correspondence between the quantum state of the Universe and our experiences.[..]"

Each action has an infinite number of possible outcomes. In one reality, your computer screen just fell apart and Neils Bohr appeared wearing a Tutu and singing "I Should Be So Lucky". In this reality, though, the one you are presently consiously focussed on, I suggest you are crawn to it, as a moth is drawn to a flame. One bright point of light. Hypnotic, is it not? Which way do you want / need to go next?

'Nothing you can do, that can't be done.
Nothing you can say, that can't be sung."
 
Lucianarchy said:
"[...]The fundamental idea of the MWI, going back to Everett 1957, is that there are myriads of worlds in the Universe in addition to the world we are aware of. In particular, every time a quantum experiment with different outcomes with non-zero probability is performed, all outcomes are obtained, each in a different world, even if we are aware only of the world with the outcome we have seen. In fact, quantum experiments take place everywhere and very often, not just in physics laboratories: even the irregular blinking of an old fluorescent bulb is a quantum experiment.
There are numerous variations and reinterpretations of the original Everett proposal, most of which are briefly discussed in the entry on Everett's relative state formulation of quantum mechanics. Here, a particular approach to the MWI (which differs from the popular "actual splitting worlds" approach in De Witt 1970) will be presented in detail, followed by a discussion relevant for many variants of the MWI.

The MWI consists of two parts:

A mathematical theory which yields evolution in time of the quantum state of the (single) Universe.
A prescription which sets up a correspondence between the quantum state of the Universe and our experiences.[..]"

That part was from Lev Vaidman's text. Please make it clear, when you are lifting texts from other people's works.

Lucianarchy said:
Each action has an infinite number of possible outcomes. In one reality, your computer screen just fell apart and Neils Bohr appeared wearing a Tutu and singing "I Should Be So Lucky". In this reality, though, the one you are presently consiously focussed on, I suggest you are crawn to it, as a moth is drawn to a flame. One bright point of light. Hypnotic, is it not? Which way do you want / need to go next?

'Nothing you can do, that can't be done.
Nothing you can say, that can't be sung."

What does this have to do with paranormal issues?
 
JustGeoff,

I don’t think you understand our frustration at all.

You simply refuse to respond to the most pressing and commonly asked question here but then suggest it is sceptics who “refuse” to consider other possibilities.

WE simply ask you this…

What separate YOUR paranormal experience with any other human experience we would call delusion ?

Your ONLY answer has been .. “I just KNOW”… which is EXACTLY what a guy professing to be Napoleon would say.

Your LUCIDITY just compounds the problem. The lunatic professing to be Napoleon would hardly be lucid and we could completely understand he was deluded. You on the other hand seem rational and sensible.

YET with NO more corroborating evidence than he you exhibit exactly the same intractability !

I would LOVE to give the paranormal a chance at being true.. yet when “so far on these boards” .. its most rational sounding proponent CANNOT (or will not) give us anything to go on more than .. “I just Know” and “You would too if you experienced it” or.. “Believe and it will be true”….

I am left floundering.. and HAVE to revert to corroborating evidence .. which tells me NO PARANORMAL stuff happens.
 
Aussie Thinker said:
“Believe and it will be true”….

I am left floundering.. and HAVE to revert to corroborating evidence .. which tells me NO PARANORMAL stuff happens.

How do you know you are not deluding yourself?
 
Luci,

How do you know you are not deluding yourself?

I don’t…

So we examine if I am…

I believe that the paranormal does NOT exist.. am I deluded.. well lets look for corroborating evidence.

In this case we would have to find evidence FOR the paranormal.. as one cannot be asked to prove a negative.

Have I found any… NO.. have I even found pointers to some … NO.. is it logical.. NO.. does it fit with science… NO..

Conclusion I am NOT deluded.

Now let us look at JG..

He believes he had a paranormal experience.

Let us look for corroborating evidence..

Does he have witnesses .. NO.. does he have any other evidence.. NO.. is it logical.. NO.. does it fit with science.. NO..

Will he answers the most simple of questions.. NO

Will he provide his story.. NO

Conclusion HE is deluded !
 
Aussie Thinker said:


I believe that the paranormal does NOT exist.. am I deluded.. well lets look for corroborating evidence.

In this case we would have to find evidence FOR the paranormal.. as one cannot be asked to prove a negative.

Have I found any… NO.. have I even found pointers to some … NO.. is it logical.. NO.. does it fit with science… NO..

Conclusion I am NOT deluded.


Just because you have not found evidence of the paranormal, that does not mean that you are not deluding yourself. Indeed, given the huge body of evidence (not proof, evidence, don't forget that), which you apparently dismiss, it is highly likely that you are, in fact, deluding* yourself. None of the issues which have been raised in this thread, for example, have been debunked. As such, they are they remain supporting evidence for a 'paranormal' effect.

( * In psychology, we call this effect - 'cognitive dissonance'. )
 
Lucianarchy said:
None of the issues which have been raised in this thread, for example, have been debunked. [
It is very difficult to debunk some of your crazy ideas. You said that if enough people believe in Santa Claus he will be physically created. Well, we have millions of believers but he isn’t on the chat show circuit quite yet. You say that just there aren't enough believers. So how many do you need ? You don't know.
However for Santa Claus or under the bed goblins to spring into existence from nothing, creating solid matter from nothing, is such a stupid idea that most 10 year olds understand (even if you have difficulty) that it is impossible. The onus is not for us to debunk such a stupid idea but for you to prove it. We are talking invisible dragons in garages here.
As such, they are they remain supporting evidence for a 'paranormal' effect.
Anecdotes, wild fantasies, poor experiments or wishful thinking do not constitute evidence.
 
Luci,

You claim we haven’t debunked certain things..

Could you debunk my claim that I am God ?

No .. of course not.. I MUST provide evidence that I am.. or the claim is just so much inanity.

NO paranormal claims have provided evidence.. just making them does not make them valid.

In this thread YOUR claims and flimsy evidence have been completely destroyed !
 
Just to rock the boat into motion again:

If telepathy is real, why has electonic communication boomed the way it has and why does human conflict still exist?

If human consciousness is a common-to-all shared "field", as it were, why aren't all people equally smart, why do we need to read, why an Internet, and again, why human conflicts?

If remote viewing is real, why are crimes committed and unsolved, why do casino owners still laugh all the way to the bank, and why has pornography and tourist industries boomed?

If PK is real, why has the transportation industry boomed, why are vaults and safes blown and torched to get them open, and why does anyone bother to calibrate instruments and measuring equipment?

In short, if PSI phenomena are real, why do they not reveal themselves at all in every-day life and in human history? Would a World where PSI phenomena existed outside the imagination of believers not be quite different from the World we actually see and know today? Or - can anyone provide evidence, that the World actually is the way it is because PSI is real?
 
Just to recap (edited for spelling):

Originally posted by Anders W. Bonde:
Just to rock the boat into motion again:

If telepathy is real, why has electronic communication boomed the way it has and why does human conflict still exist?

If human consciousness is a common-to-all shared "field", as it were, why aren't all people equally smart, why do we need to read, why an Internet, and again, why human conflicts?

If remote viewing is real, why are crimes committed and unsolved, why do casino owners still laugh all the way to the bank, and why have pornographic and tourist industries boomed?

If PK is real, why has the transportation industry boomed, why are vaults and safes blown and torched to get them open, and why does anyone bother to calibrate instruments and measuring equipment?

In short, if PSI phenomena are real, why do they not reveal themselves at all in every-day life and in human history? Would a World where PSI phenomena existed outside the imagination of believers not be quite different from the World we actually see and know today? Or - can anyone provide evidence, that the World actually is the way it is because PSI is real?

Lucianarchy's reply:

Originally posted by Lucianarchy in response to my post above:
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I rest my case.
 
Perhaps Lucianarchy is running? Fleeing? Hiding?

He'll be back, no worries.
 
Anders W. Bonde said:
Just to recap (edited for spelling):



Lucianarchy's reply:




I have previously explained why the situation is like it is. If you have not read it, at least apply critical thinking to the hypothesis and work it out for yourself. It's not that hard, but it does involve a huge amount of self honesty and an ability to accept hard to comprehend scenarios.

The bottom line, it's a security threat, until it is controlled.
 
Lucianarchy said:
'Gremlins'

"Most of us have noticed things missing from places where we're certain we last saw them. Lost socks, missing keys, wallets, and tools often seem to have a mind of their own... disappearing from the places we know we put them and sometimes reappearing unexpectedly. Mechanics are so familiar with this phenomenon that they refer to "gremlins" who must be responsible for moving their tools around.

We also notice synchronicities and coincidences in our lives... times when the events happening around us seem orchestrated to bring together ideas, people, and situations.

Take a moment now to consider the possibility that your thoughts and feelings are responsible for creating your experience of reality... that the very way you observe the universe is affecting what you are observing. Just as the most fundamental building blocks of matter and energy are non-locally connected across time and space so that they change their spin simultaneously when they are observed, so too can we notice such "spooky action at a distance" when we make wishes or prayers that come true.[...]

http://realityshifters.com/pages/intro.html

Body of a grown man -- mind of a ten-year-old child who has read 'Quantum Physics for Dummies'
 

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