New perspectives on Relativity

[Wudang]

Wudang, it takes an IQ of about 101 to understand why the speeds I observe are not the same as the speeds you observe...

Meters perceived by Lg are qualitatively different to meters perceived by Wudang. Seconds perceived by Lg are qualitatively different to secondss perceived by Wudang.

Einstein (twin paradox, for example), shows us that:

Meters (lg) do NOT = meters (wudang)
Seconds (lg) do NOT = seconds (wudang)

Therefore m(lg)/s(lg) does NOT = m(w)/s(w).

Therefore X m(lg)/(lg)s does NOT = X m(w)/s(w).

Therefore, the speed of light observed by any individual is not an absolute equivalent value to that of over observers.


Simple really Wudang. But then again, I'm assuming you have an IQ over 100.
Major assumption.

Between 123 and 168 depending on the test. <shrug>

I'll try to make the point more simply as you keep missing it. If everbody's meters and seconds are different why do all experiments show that in every frame of reference the speed of light is still 300,000,000 m/s?

 

[P.S.A.]

I've already explained - being sincere - that with hindsight it was better to discuss my point within the context of individual-reproduction V's 2+ reproduction.
I'm not averse to regret. Nor is my philosophy averse to evolution. Deal with it. Only when I present it formally and officially (book or tv, for instance) will you be in a position to mock me for changing words. As it is, this is a discussion forum where ideas are exchanged and inspired and where they inevitably evolve throughout the discussion.
How old are you? You come across as very immature.

I've already pointed out that you HAVEN'T and NEVER WILL write a book. Because you are terrified of ever formalising your ideas to the point where you might have to face that your ultimate conclusion is wrong.

It still is though, because everyone else can just point to both books which HAVE been written and state your ever changing ideas are individually wrong... as on Relativity... and also point towards your endlessly changing ideas themselves, which often directly contradict each other. Oh, and you won't formally submit for the Nobel Prize either, despite claiming you'd win if you did. Or perform miracles you claim you can do. How mature am I Lifegazer? Mature enough to know you don't debate with immature dishonest intellects like yours. CERTAINLY mature enough to not keep making endless new excuses when my hand has been caught in the philosophocal cookie jar. Or making insane comments like your "I am a tree" one. I had you nailed with my serious post weeks ago; you aren't looking to learn anything about Truth here... You are trying to find the ideas that will either spiritually blackmail or intellectually bamboozle people into thinking you are a great Prophet. Your ideas haven't evolved Lifegazer, they've regressed... because you'll say or do or believe anything, as long as it allows you to claim "And this proves God".

The only problem is, no one else has a Doublethink mind here, Lifegazer. We can all remember that 2 + 2 = 4. We can all see the out of control immature ego that is Lifegazer, at the very same time that it tries to persuade us that his "philosophy" leads to the death of Ego. And it's not in the slightest bit convincing.

 

[Upchurch]

Including me?

Only if you are included in "everybody".

I have no reason to doubt your sincerity, but I think you must be mistaken. A thread doesn't get deleted by accident, particularly a contraversial thread such as this... and especially considering the treatment I got prior to that event.

I didn't say it was deleted on accident, I said it was a database SNAFU.

That aside, I was wrong. It wasn't a database SNAFU. One of the mods merged the threads. All posts are here.

 

[Z]

True. You are a dangerous entity... absolutely unwilling to question who you are and absolutely determined to exterminate anyone who questions the identity you want to cling to.

No, actually I've already questioned who I was. I discovered myself, and am happy with who and what I am.

And as to anything else - I'm actually psychologically unable to cause harm to others... mental harm aside.

What I desire to exterminate is crass and willing ignorance, such as yours.

I've made no failings.

Deluded much? Absolutely.

You've had no successes! NOT ONE!! Every single subject you post about, you only demonstrate more failures, ad infinitum.

You are the laughing stock of any and all philosophy and science fora, hands down.

My discussion about omnipotence was fully consistent with my philosophy.

Which is only more proof of failure. It was also absolutely INCONSISTENT with logic, reason, the English language, etc. etc.

Further, I did not shirk from that debate - I think it lasted about a fortnight.

And were told, repeatedly, that your 'so called solution' was wrong, your logic laughable, and your understanding of paradox scant at best.

You left without addressing the questions faced to you regarding these issues... so yes, you shirked that debate.

A fortnight of repeating the same old nonsense is hardly debate.

My questions regarding reproduction and macro-evolution remain unanswered. I see no evidence for micro-evolution alone.

Frell, Man, I addressed that issue MYSELF! SO, apparently, you cannot read or understand what you read.

Not overly surprising.

Furthermore, even if everything else I ever said to you was a bunch of crap,[/quote}

... which it is...

the posts I have made tonight are evidence that You alone is existence. So don't try to evade it by reverting to past issues.

Who's evading anything? Your posts tonight are more of the same old crap - and are wrong, as usual.

You've provided no evidence at all. Everything you post contradicts known evidence, known facts. Everything you propose is nonsense.

There is only one thing, after all of your insufficient knowledge of reality and science and logic, and language, and everything else, that will convince ANYONE here: a miracle. And you are unable to provide said miracle.

Until I get my bread, you'll never be taken seriously here - or anywhere else, for that matter - because, intellectually, your thinking processes and education are laughable, at best.

 

[lifegazer]

Only if you are included in "everybody".
I didn't say it was deleted on accident, I said it was a database SNAFU.

That aside, I was wrong. It wasn't a database SNAFU. One of the mods merged the threads. All posts are here.

Then I was right. The mods (one of 'em at least) has it in for me.

... You know, as well as I, that when it comes to discussions relating evidence or ideas to God, that those discussions should be posted in the philosophy forum. The fact that one of the mods transferred my thread here and then deleted another one of my threads altogether, means one of two things:-
(1) That mod dislikes me and is abusing his/her power to piss me off.
(2) That mod is thoroughly stupid.

Personally, I opt for a mixture of the two.
However, since a mod is supposed to be emotionally neutral as well as intelligent, I propose that this particular mod needs to RESIGN from their duties as their actions here are exhibits of gross incompetance wrt to those particular attributes.
Then, I demand an apology from the JREF establishment for such a disservice.
Then, I want this thread put where it belongs - in the philosophy forum.


Of course, none of those things will happen because:
(a) Mods stick together, whatever.
(b) Never concede to lifegazer, whatever.
(c) Referees don't change their minds for fear of looking like indecisive fools.

... Unfortunately, that point has already been surpassed. You've made, collectively, a mockery of these forums.

 

[RussDill]

Then I was right. The mods (one of 'em at least) has it in for me.

The establishment is out to get you! they are trying to squash your ideas because they are scary!!!!

... You know, as well as I, that when it comes to discussions relating evidence or ideas to God, that those discussions should be posted in the philosophy forum. The fact that one of the mods transferred my thread here and then deleted another one of my threads altogether, means one of two things:-

Your thread title is "new perspective on relativity". That sounds like it belongs in physics/mathmatics form to me. If it has no basis in physics or mathmatics, then the thread is incorrectly titled.

NOTHING WAS DELETED ALL THE POSTS ARE HERE LISTEN TO WHAT UPCHURCH SAID

(1) That mod dislikes me and is abusing his/her power to piss me off.

Why are you so paranoid and delusional?

(2) That mod is thoroughly stupid.

Wow, that sounds like just about everyone of your arguments. A false dictotomy, either they hate me, or they are stupid, what about, "they felt the thread belonged here"

Personally, I opt for a mixture of the two.
However, since a mod is supposed to be emotionally neutral as well as intelligent, I propose that this particular mod needs to RESIGN from their duties as their actions here are exhibits of gross incompetance wrt to those particular attributes.
Then, I demand an apology from the JREF establishment for such a disservice.
Then, I want this thread put where it belongs - in the philosophy forum.

I don't even know how to begin to describe your paranoid delusional hatred. Relax lifegazer, take a deep breath, alright? Relativity is a concept of physics and mathmatics, if you want to ammend it, that belongs here.

Of course, none of those things will happen because:
(a) Mods stick together, whatever.

I'm sure there is never any occurances of board mod's disagreeing. They are all part of the establishment after all, with their books...and their schools...and their free masons guild...

(b) Never concede to lifegazer, whatever.

It's only worth conceeding to you if you are right

(c) Referees don't change their minds for fear of looking like indecisive fools.

Gosh, I've never heard of a JREF mod changing their mind, that would be crazy! The establishment can't change their mind on anything, that would be ludicrous!

... Unfortunately, that point has already been surpassed. You've made, collectively, a mockery of these forums.

There must be a name for your condition, I'm sure of it.

 

[lifegazer]

Define "I"/ "you" is the first thing you need do. You will find there is no I/ self there is is nothing that is in and of itself, self. This would include a god if there be such a thing which seems to have no supporting facts.

If only "I" exist, then "I" am the God of the "things" that exist within my own awareness, as a created illusion.
Literally nothing else exists to have caused this illusion, except myself.

 

[RussDill]

If only "I" exist, then "I" am the God of the "things" that exist within my own awareness, as a created illusion.
Literally nothing else exists to have caused this illusion, except myself.

BTW, why are you limited by "MODS", if this board is just an illusion you created your self, save yourself the time, just move the thread back.

 

[lifegazer]

Your thread title is "new perspective on relativity". That sounds like it belongs in physics/mathmatics form to me. If it has no basis in physics or mathmatics, then the thread is incorrectly titled.

A thread shouldn't be judged on the title alone.

NOTHING WAS DELETED ALL THE POSTS ARE HERE LISTEN TO WHAT UPCHURCH SAID

Wake up. I had a thread called "Linking Einstein's work to my PHILOSOPHY", posted in the philosophy forum. It's no longer there and I have been forced to continue a philosophical discussion in a science forum.

Why are you so paranoid and delusional?

Give me a break. I've been banned from two forums and mistreated in a third.

Wow, that sounds like just about everyone of your arguments. A false dictotomy, either they hate me, or they are stupid, what about, "they felt the thread belonged here"

Read this thread. If you think posts (of mine) that end with the conclusion "You are God." are science subjects as opposed to philosophy subjects, then you're as dumb and biased as the mod who acted thus.

I don't even know how to begin to describe your paranoid delusional hatred. Relax lifegazer, take a deep breath, alright? Relativity is a concept of physics and mathmatics, if you want to ammend it, that belongs here.

I don't want to ammend anything Einstein said. Quite the contrary. In fact, I want to use what he said as a proof that there is no "out there". Of course, that's a philosophical conclusion.

I'm sure there is never any occurances of board mod's disagreeing.

Grow up. Next thing you'll be telling me is that all politicians of a particular persuasion are best mates and completely honest in their actions/decisions.

Gosh, I've never heard of a JREF mod changing their mind, that would be crazy! The establishment can't change their mind on anything, that would be ludicrous!

It will be especially amazing for the JREF establishment to apologise to a theist and grant him his requests. After all, they're employed to serve Randi and his family of mocking parrots.

There must be a name for your condition, I'm sure of it.

Yes: enlightened.

 

[RussDill]

A thread shouldn't be judged on the title alone.
Wake up. I had a thread called "Linking Einstein's work to my PHILOSOPHY", posted in the philosophy forum. It's no longer there and I have been forced to continue a philosophical discussion in a science forum.

The threads contained identical material and were merged. If you want to discuss scientific concepts, this is the forum to do it in

Give me a break. I've been banned from two forums and mistreated in a third.

All forums have rules, if you don't follow them, you get banned. I'm not sure why you think you are being mistreated here.

Read this thread. If you think posts (of mine) that end with the conclusion "You are God." are science subjects as opposed to philosophy subjects, then you're as dumb and biased as the mod who acted thus.

You claim that you are providing new theories about relativity. Is that, or is that not true?

I don't want to ammend anything Einstein said. Quite the contrary. In fact, I want to use what he said as a proof that there is no "out there". Of course, that's a philosophical conclusion.

Then it has nothing to do with what einstien said, and it has nothing to do with relativity, now does it?

Grow up. Next thing you'll be telling me is that all politicians of a particular persuasion are best mates and completely honest in their actions/decisions.

Oh, wait, sorry, board mods *and* polititians always agree on everything, because they are all part of the establishment. I find it hilarious that you think that a mod moved this thread because they don't like you or your philosophy.

It will be especially amazing for the JREF establishment to apologise to a theist and grant him his requests. After all, they're employed to serve Randi and his family of mocking parrots.

I'm sure they have given apologies to dozens of theists for dozens of reasons. It's just you are in no position to require an apology. In fact, your reaction is to lash out, rather than discuss.

Yes: enlightened.

Hmm...nope, don't see anything about paranoid delusions or ranting against the establishment in the definition of "enlightened"

 

[Donks]

There must be a name for your condition, I'm sure of it.

Paranoid schizophrenic with a messianic complex?

 

[Atlas]

If only "I" exist, then "I" am the God of the "things" that exist within my own awareness, as a created illusion.
Literally nothing else exists to have caused this illusion, except myself.

Lg, This gets confusing. It does seem different from other things you've said.

Your God is a singularity which has intentionally confused itself into having nonominipotent microexperiences within itself. Atlas is one microexperience, Lifegazer is another.

Your statement above starts out: If only *I* exists - but existance is filled with multiple *I*s. You accept this obviously because you tell me that Atlas is God and so conversations between us are really God talking to himself to experience frustration.

You call yourself the God of the things within your own awareness acknowledging, I believe, your status of your illusion within a grander illusion in which you are a strictly illusory fabrication.

That is, of many illusory objects, you are one which spins a subillusion of which you are God. That seems to be what you said. Correct me if I'm wrong, please.

If I am correct I have a question. Do you believe that you are a first tier illusionary object of the Grand illusioner? I think you do, but couldn't you just as well be the spawn of some downstream illusioner?

That is, just as you illusion dream characters that have their own personality and act within your dream, perhaps the grand illusioner has dreamed demigods who have dreamed minorgods who have dreamed you and now you are telescoping the action 1 dream illusion deeper.

I can't think of a way you could know whether you are illusionary spawn of the master or some illusioned subentity. Perhaps each subordinate dreamer has less power within his imagined universe to ordain his dream reality.

Is that too insane even for you or is it just about right?

 

[CurtC]

lifegazer wrote:
A thread doesn't get deleted by accident, particularly a contraversial thread such as this...

Controversial? Dude, don't flatter yourself. I didn't see the woodpecker thread in the other forum, but this is just run-of-the-mill misunderstanding of science that you've asked about. The only thing controversial I've seen is mildly insulting language, but you're going to have to try a lot harder to get yourself banned from the JREF forums.

Meters perceived by Lg are qualitatively different to meters perceived by Wudang. Seconds perceived by Lg are qualitatively different to secondss perceived by Wudang.

The use of the word "perceived" implies that there is a subjective interpretation going on. That's not right.

If you and Wudang are not moving relative to each other, you will observe (measure) time and distance identically, no matter what mood you happen to be in. If you are moving with respect to each other by a speed that is a significant fraction of the speed of light, then you will measure distances differently, and those measurements can be predicted exactly. It is not subjective at all - it is relative.

 

[H'ethetheth]

While you're at it lifegazer,

you might want to prove to yourself, logically sound, that Einstein actually existed and that he had a (sub-)mind of his own.
When you've failed to do this you might wonder what anything Einstein said could possibly have anything to do with the ultimate truth in your philosophy.

 

[Darat]

I moved the original thread here and then merged the two threads together. No posts were deleted or edited.

Then I was right. The mods (one of 'em at least) has it in for me.

I only know who you are in the vaguest sense of "know". I've certainly never paid enough attention to you to form an opinion on you or your beliefs.

... You know, as well as I, that when it comes to discussions relating evidence or ideas to God, that those discussions should be posted in the philosophy forum.

A post arguing that the speed of light is not an absolute by way of a misunderstanding of the "theory of relatively" is a suitable subject for the "Science,..." section of the forum. (Obviously in my opinion.)

The fact that one of the mods transferred my thread here and then deleted another one of my threads altogether, means one of two things:-
(1) That mod dislikes me and is abusing his/her power to piss me off.

See above. Any allegations of abuse of my authority here can always be referred to Linda. (Either by PM to “Linda” or email linda@randi.org.)

(2) That mod is thoroughly stupid.

That could be the case, however I can also think of several other reasons to add to your list.

Personally, I opt for a mixture of the two.
However, since a mod is supposed to be emotionally neutral as well as intelligent, I propose that this particular mod needs to RESIGN from their duties as their actions here are exhibits of gross incompetance wrt to those particular attributes.

If you wish to complain about my actions to the JREF and they decide I should be removed as administrator that is their prerogative however I will not be resigning over this matter.

Then, I demand an apology from the JREF establishment for such a disservice.

There is no action I need to apologise for, if that is not satisfactory I would suggest that you take your demand to the JREF.

Then, I want this thread put where it belongs - in the philosophy forum.

…snip…

I have now read through the thread and the subsequent posts and I can see the reasons for your request.

 

[MRC_Hans]

I still think it belongs in the Humor forum.

Hans

 

[H'ethetheth]

I still think it belongs in the Humor forum.

Hans

That, or the Drama forum.

 

[H'ethetheth]

...If I am correct I have a question. Do you believe that you are a first tier illusionary object of the Grand illusioner? I think you do, but couldn't you just as well be the spawn of some downstream illusioner?

That is, just as you illusion dream characters that have their own personality and act within your dream, perhaps the grand illusioner has dreamed demigods who have dreamed minorgods who have dreamed you and now you are telescoping the action 1 dream illusion deeper.

I can't think of a way you could know whether you are illusionary spawn of the master or some illusioned subentity. Perhaps each subordinate dreamer has less power within his imagined universe to ordain his dream reality.

Is that too insane even for you or is it just about right?

I asked him the same question once (bottom of the linked post). He didn't answer that, but I guess it doesn't matter to the general gist of his theory. It does however add a potentially infinite amount of unknowable truth and entities with subminds.
Great!

Edited to repair the URL

 

[Atlas]

I asked him the same question once (bottom of the linked post). He didn't answer that, but I guess it doesn't matter to the general gist of his theory. It does however add a potentially infinite amount of unknowable truth and entities with subminds.

I get the feeling sometimes that I can never ask Lg an original question because better minds have already flung them before me.

Lg's paradigm is clearer with an unknown number of dreamers between us and the ultimate singularity. It even makes questions about what is outside God entertainable.

We are omnipotent in the creation of any dream we might have when we sleep. It is a limited omnipotence two ways. We do not realize that we are are the omnipotent creator of the dream and none of the characters inside the dream can invoke any God power above the dreamer. For the characters in my dream I am their singularity to use Lg's phrase.

For them there is nothing except my dream and any dream they might have while alive in my dream. There is nothing to know of God outside their dreamer - me. And yet there is something outside their dreamer - the dreamscape of the dream in which their dreamer finds himself - what I call my reality. And outside my God is the dreamscape his God is producing for him and its turtles all the way up.

What I didn't understand from your question Heth is how you imagined the next level up might be badgers and bunnies. I imagined the next level up to be the dream of an electric slime worm of Merflikal. So you see there really was a fundamental difference to my question.

 

[H'ethetheth]

I get the feeling sometimes that I can never ask Lg an original question because better minds have already flung them before me.

Now now! The fact that someone has wasted more time on lifegazer than you doesn't make them a better mind. In fact the opposite might very well be true.

What I didn't understand from your question Heth is how you imagined the next level up might be badgers and bunnies. I imagined the next level up to be the dream of an electric slime worm of Merflikal. So you see there really was a fundamental difference to my question.

Hah! Merflikal is renowned for its undependability and general inexistence, whereas bunnies and badgers are not. Hah!

Go hide while I break out in fits of sneering laughter, you!