NEW JFK assassination film released

[MaGZ]

actually, most people do not believe the Warren commission´s findings.

Only people living in a fluffy fantasy world think Oswald was the lone gunman.


http://abcnews.go.com/images/pdf/937a1JFKAssassination.pdf
(32% on this poll. Coincidently, 32% of Americans are stupid)

I think Oswald was the lone gunman but was maneuvered by Mafia types to do the deed. Oswald perhaps never knew he was being manipulated and handled.

 

[calebprime]

No, but it does show Oliver Stone sitting between JFK and Jackie Kennedy in the limousine.

Also, in the background you can see the Texas School Book Depository sitting in its original location - atop the Grassy Knoll - before George Bush Sr. and E. Howard Hunt moved it back to its Elm Street location later that night.

Finally, the film clearly shows that all of the male spectators in the Plaza that day who were wearing suits - also each had rabbit ears antennae extending 2-3 feet above their heads.

when I get done laughing, I want to hire you for humor lessons. almost seriously.

I think Oswald was the lone gunman but was maneuvered by Mafia types to do the deed. Oswald perhaps never knew he was being manipulated and handled.

This is surely a new and creative angle.

The Mafia, with their brilliant grasp of psychology, put Oswald in the marines, where they knew he'd screw up. They caused him to want to go to Russia, where they knew he'd be more or less ignored. Using sarcasm, they made him return to the U.S.; and without any physical activity on their part, they made him expect a big hubbub on his return, which he never received. They built his delusions of grandeur--without him even knowing it. By subtly nailing his head to the floor, they caused him to try that practice-run assassination attempt. Genius!

 

[Big Les]

There are photos of the jacket and shirt that both show a bullet hole about 6 inches below the neckline, and there are photos of JFK's back taken during the autopsy which show a wound at this location in the mid-back.

If you're talking about the back wound pic linked on the McAdams site, I disagree that the bullet wound appears that low down. It appears to be the higher of the visible marks and stains, if that's what's throwing you off. According to the autopsy report, this wound was 14cm below the right mastoid process, i.e. much higher up than that. The jacket entry hole (the result of the bunching visible in this video) is a little less than 6 inches (13.4cm) from the top of the collar.

If a bullet hit in this location, it would have to be going with a downward trajectory to be fired from above and behind. I can't see how it could suddenly range up and emerge from just below his throat. If you wear a jacket normally, even bunching it up, or riding it up as I prefer to call it won't make the bullet trajectory line up with the 6th floor window, or the wound in Kennedy's throat.

IF a bullet hit in this location. Can you prove that it did, or at least provide evidence?
Argument from personal incredulity, in any case.

The bunched jacket is a red-herring. If you accept that the bullet emerged from below the adam's apple, as the Dallas doctors said, then the entrance would have to be above this exit wound.

And from the autopsy report (for one thing), it was.

All I ask is that you try and line up this hypothetical entrance wound with holes in a jacket and shirt 6 inches below the neck line. And then compare the photos with your gymnastics.

I may not be the best read JFK buff, but I've never seen such photos [as contradict the single bullet theory].

btw, its no use trying to verify the location of the wounds in Kennedy's throat with testimony given by the autopsy doctors in Bethesda. The doctors in Dallas who tried to save JFK's life put a tracheotomy through this bullet wound. The autopsy doctors didn't even know that this mark was the location of a bullet wound until well after Kennedy's body had been handed over for embalming, and they then had to hypothesize about the nature of the wound. So, their testimony on this point is moot.

You've lost me there. A tracheo will make detailed analysis difficult, but isn't going to obliterate the wound to the point where you couldn't use it as a point for a trajectory. In any case, if this evidence is moot, it affects both the "official" line AND your own "alternative" hypothesis, surely?

 

[MINISTERofTRUTH]

Robert F. Kennedy Speech - On the death of Martin Luther King

The extraordinary words of Robert Kennedy

... I had a member of my family killed, but he was killed by a white man.

 

[jhunter1163]

Oh for Christ's sake. It's times like this I wish I had Beachnut here with me for his ability to cut through the stupid. When RFK said "I had a member of my family killed", he didn't mean he ordered it. It's like saying "I had a wheel fall off my car this morning". I didn't ask for it: it just happened. CTers of all stripes seize on things like this and blow them up into the most ridiculous things. RFK had his own brother killed? That has to be the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. I fear for America if this kind of thinking is the product of our educational system. I hear New Zealand is nice.. except for the summers being in the winter and the winters in the summer, and the damn road cones. On the plus side, they have learned to speak some English there. Maybe I'll immigrate...

 

[CurtC]

...and there are photos of JFK's back taken during the autopsy which show a wound at this location in the mid-back.

Perhaps you can post a link to this photo? It would certainly be evidence worth of front-page news in all the major papers, even 43 years later.

 

[robinson]

http://www.celebritymorgue.com/jfk/jfk-autopsy.html

I'm not offering any opinion on these photos, but was curious if there were such photos. A Google took about 3 seconds to find one. How strange. Third photo from the top.

 

[calebprime]

Robert F. Kennedy Speech - On the death of Martin Luther King

The extraordinary words of Robert Kennedy

... I had a member of my family killed, but he was killed by a white man.

You like this so much you're saying it again. How about responding to the other posters who debunked you the first time around?

I've heard some wacked-out things here, but this is right up toward the top.
That and your technique of super-secret linguistic analysis.

Tell more. Prepare for all-out mocking. Grapeshot rakin' yer bows.

 

[Big Les]

http://www.celebritymorgue.com/jfk/jfk-autopsy.html

I'm not offering any opinion on these photos, but was curious if there were such photos. A Google took about 3 seconds to find one. How strange. Third photo from the top.

Erm, no-one was saying there were no such photos, just none showing a back wound "6 inches below the neckline". I have yet to see one. I suspect wilful misinterpretation of the known photo, but am prepared to be proved wrong with this other alleged photo that shows the entry wound at that location.

 

[bonavada]

Erm, no-one was saying there were no such photos, just none showing a back wound "6 inches below the neckline". I have yet to see one. I suspect wilful misinterpretation of the known photo, but am prepared to be proved wrong with this other alleged photo that shows the entry wound at that location.

looking at the site (from the pic of the back wound with the ruler - compared to the image of the exit wound in JFK's throat) it seems very plausible they were both caused by the same bullet. why wouldn't it have? also who's to say the bullet couldn't have deflected slightly after entry causing a change in velocity?

and the author of that site captioned the image of JFK's back with "Photo of the president's back, oddly taken from below the body...." i mean, it's not odd to me how that picture was taken. they just turned him over FFS.

BV

 

[Big Les]

I quite agree.

 

[DrPL]

The photos showing entry wounds in the jacket and shirt are available on the internet. They were first brought to prominence by Harold Weisberg. There are photos on my website, but I can't post the link here.

 

[Civilized Worm]

The Red Dwarf episode pissed me off, having someone go back in time and kill themselves is the last thing you want to do when time travelling!

actually, most people do not believe the Warren commission´s findings.

Only people living in a fluffy fantasy world think Oswald was the lone gunman.


http://abcnews.go.com/images/pdf/937a1JFKAssassination.pdf
(32% on this poll. Coincidently, 32% of Americans are stupid)

Most people believe in god. Your polls are worthless.

 

[Big Les]

The photos showing entry wounds in the jacket and shirt are available on the internet. They were first brought to prominence by Harold Weisberg. There are photos on my website, but I can't post the link here.

You can post the link without the http and other notation (replace / with the word slash for example), and I'll convert it into a proper link.

 

[Gravy]

The photos showing entry wounds in the jacket and shirt are available on the internet. They were first brought to prominence by Harold Weisberg. There are photos on my website, but I can't post the link here.

Yes you can. Just leave off the http or the .com. Please post the link. I'm quite eager to see these photos that you've had privileged access to.

 

[MINISTERofTRUTH]

When RFK said "I had a member of my family killed", he didn't mean he ordered it. ...

How little you know.

Do you recall where you came from before you set foot on this earth. Of course you don't !

When something happens, there are two sides to the story. One you see on this side of reality, and the other on the other side.

It's a very crafty game indeed.

 

[Whiplash]

The Red Dwarf episode pissed me off, having someone go back in time and kill themselves is the last thing you want to do when time travelling!

Heh, indeed.

I just wanted to join into the RD derail briefly to say that I did think it was a nice touch they way they had JFK dressed as a cop when he made the shot from teh grassy knoll.. "badge man" and all that

 

[Foolmewunz]

How little you know.

Do you recall where you came from before you set foot on this earth. Of course you don't !

When something happens, there are two sides to the story. One you see on this side of reality, and the other on the other side.

It's a very crafty game indeed.

"I had both my parents die."
"I had a cousin who was killed."
"I had a brother killed in a plane crash."

Do you doubt for a second that the intention in all of those sentences is the same; to state that a person died or was killed? The English language works in many ways. To take "had" and turn it into active participation is just absurd.

Sorry, I had seen this quote many times and I always thought the CTists were saying that he was insensitive for using the race card at King's funeral. I cannot believe it's being used as a "slip of the tongue". Just plain damned frakking ridiculous!

 

[calebprime]

How little you know.

Do you recall where you came from before you set foot on this earth. Of course you don't !

When something happens, there are two sides to the story. One you see on this side of reality, and the other on the other side.

It's a very crafty game indeed.

I, for one, want to stay on this side of reality.

 

[jhunter1163]

I prefer to stay on this side of reality, where the laws of physics act in predictable ways; where words are not twisted to suit the warped agendas of lunatics and profiteers; where "facts" are not made up out of whole cloth or cherrypicked to suit the above-mentioned warped agendas; and, not least, where national tragedies are treated with respect and compassion, not as a podium to spout nonsense or to make a quick buck. Thanks for listening to my rant.