New generation batteries - just add sugar

You were drinking when you wrote that? That is more coherent than my babbling when I'm sober. :(
Thanks .. but it took 30 minutes.
Lots of proof/edit, proof/edit... rinse, repeat. :)

(still several changes I'd prefer .. I'm a crap writer)


I tried early Dragon Naturally voice recog 30 years ago... It laughed at me and uninstalled itself. :(
 
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Perhaps. But there's a lot more to that equation that just the cost of the cells.

They claim to have increased the life to 1,000 cycles, but Li-ion can do 10 times that. Would you be happy with having to replace your EV battery ten times more often? How much of the cost of a battery is the cell contents, and how much is other stuff (which won't be any cheaper)? For sustainability the battery components need to be recycled. If this has to be done 10 times more often the cost will probably be much higher.

An ideal battery would not have to be replaced more often, but would last the lifetime of the vehicle - reducing manufacturing costs because it doesn't have be designed for easy replacement, and reducing maintenance costs. Many vehicles are warranted for 5 years or more today, and EV batteries are typically warranted for 8 years. With Li-S this warranty would have to exclude the battery - which is not an easy sell to the customer (though dealers may like the idea of selling a cheaper vehicle which they make more money from in maintenance charges).

Using sugar to stabilize the cathode may solve one problem, but there are many other problems with Li-S that aren't being talked about, such as power density and the practicality of scaling up to large pouch cells. Li-S may have greater energy density, but the voltage is much lower so the minimum number of series cells required to get an efficient battery voltage (300V+) is much higher, requiring extra wiring and more balancing circuits to equalize the cell voltages.

Until a commercial battery is in production we won't know whether the real lifetime costs will be sufficiently lower to justify the shorter lifespan. I don't expect an answer for at least 5-10 years, by which time Li-ion costs may also have become more competitive.
I think that cars could be designed so that the battery could be replaced more efficiently than the Prius battery. If it is cheaper to build, and recycle, then it would be no more inconvenient than a three yearly service. It would also give much more range. So, a big win.
 
I think that cars could be designed so that the battery could be replaced more efficiently than the Prius battery. If it is cheaper to build, and recycle, then it would be no more inconvenient than a three yearly service. It would also give much more range. So, a big win.
Several brands are making the public move to LiFePo4. The Prius and earlier Tesla's are mostly 18650 Li-Ion packs IIUC (hundreds and hundreds of the little bastards... I've got two dozen sitting next to me for my e-cigs. Hate 'em).
So I just checked and they don't warranty cycles but rather miles, eg. 100,000 miles.
That's a mere 100 miles per well tended cycle (it's that charge cycle tuning I mentioned). Some EVs are pushing 300,000 on a pack, many over 200,000, so I don't think a newer version will need replacing as often as you're speculating.
But Roger is right about cell voltage if the volume becomes too large for the vehicle. I didn't read that spec for these Li-S cells though. And it's too early to make many guesses on final form with this new concept.
Too buzzed now, maybe tomorrow.
 
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Oh sure, there are problems, but it's still a nice step in a better direction, if only to stop the wars in Africa for the battery resources.

And as a chemist, it's a nice and cool bit of new chemistry :)
 
Thanks .. but it took 30 minutes.
Lots of proof/edit, proof/edit... rinse, repeat. :)

(still several changes I'd prefer .. I'm a crap writer)


I tried early Dragon Naturally voice recog 30 years ago... It laughed at me and uninstalled itself. :(

Letmeknowifyou find something. Darn thumb,Iadded aspringunder the spacebar soI wouldn'taccidentlyhit some key board shrotcutand selete waht Iapifully typed.
 
I tried early Dragon Naturally voice recog 30 years ago... It laughed at me and uninstalled itself. :(

About 15 years ago I tried one of those language learning programs. It had a feature where you would say the word, your computer would record you, and then it would basically tell you whether or not you were pronouncing it correctly. I was trying out the Chinese version, and one of the beginning bits had you say the word for "ball" in Chinese (can't remember what it was). I had the hardest time getting it to grade my pronunciation as passing, and I couldn't tell the difference between when it accepted and when it rejected what I was saying.

So as an experiment, I tried the English version (that is, the version of the program for people learning English). They used the same vocabulary, so the beginning also started with "ball", but in English. And I'm a native English speaker. Easy, right? Nope. It would still mostly reject my pronunciation.
 
That is power density. Energy density would be joules per gram or MJ/kg.
Good catch... fair point. Though... MJ or kj/kg?

I think for my consumer layman POV, I'll roll with kw/kg or wh/kg, whatever the product comparison in use is.
As if I could afford what I want/need anyway. [emoji1]

Just checked for averages for LFPs and the notations are using volume as well .. wh/L or kJ/L.
Color me confuzzled as ****. [emoji1]
 
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Things have changed a lot over the last 30 years. On my smartphone I send SMS using my voice instead of a keyboard.
They've improved tremendously.
I posted here late last year when I bought a new ChromeCast, and how freakin' impressed I am with the voice recognition.

I haven't tried any of the dictation programs* but I'd expect something similar. Hadn't thought of SMSs... I'll have to try it.

*I was contracting to NASA back around '90 and we got to play with most everything available, hence the very early Dragon software.
 
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