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Have we discussed the outright lie Fox News made about Democratic politicians walking out of the hearings yet?

The media has lied outright in order to keep this faux-scandal in front of us, and has done so repeatedly, despite the simple fact that fog of war more than explains every bit of the confusion. That is, of course, unless someone thinks that secretive terrorists explain to us in advance what they are going to do.
 
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Have we discussed the outright lie Fox News made about Democratic politicians walking out of the hearings yet?

The media has lied outright in order to keep this faux-scandal in front of us, and has done so repeatedly, despite the simple fact that fog of war more than explains every bit of the confusion. That is, of course, unless someone thinks that secretive terrorists explain to us in advance what they are going to do.

Why bother.
 
Here is a thoughtful piece from the Washington Post responding to New York Mag's sloppy wet kiss to Hillary Clinton:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/09/23/hillary-clinton-profile-whitewashes-benghazi/

Notably, the article omits what I (and many others) consider one of the most important developments regarding the Benghazi investigation: the fact that Hillary Clinton stage managed the so called independent Accountability Review Board, while managing to avoid being interviewed by the very committee she put together. After Pickering pulled his stunt on the day that Hicks and the other whistleblowers were scheduled to testify, who would have thought that their testimony would be so devastating for Hilary's State Department?

Of course, the article also highlights Hillary's disastrous "guys out for a walk one night who decided they’d go kill some Americans," comment, which will undoubtedly haunt her throughout the 2016 Campaign Season.
 
This thread is still going on?

What are they going to call this non-issue in 25 years, "Benghazi-Gate-Gate"?
 
The facts don't matter, this is what matters:

I respectfully disagree with you that the facts don't matter.

I for one was very surprised regarding that fact that the independent ARB gave Clinton a copy of the draft report, weren't you?
 
No more then Larry said "pull it"

I'm certain that I don't follow that comment.

One would have thought the the so-call independent review board would have tried to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

Here, not only were 4 of the 5 appointed by Clinton, they decided right off the bat that they did not need to interview her, one of them advised Cheryl Mills regarding witnesses, and gave her a draft of the report and sat down and discussed it with her and her lawyer (to say nothing of Pickering stunt where he tried to usurp the hearings by claiming he wanted to testify on a day he was not scheduled to testify after refusing to testify on an earlier day when he was scheduled!).

Given that Kerry eventual rescinded the penalties meted out to the mid level employees, it seems fair to say that the ARB report was an abject failure, wouldn't you agree?
 
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I'm certain that I don't follow that comment.

That, like truthers with Silverstein's words, the ARB giving Clinton a draft copy of the report doesn't mean what you apparently think it means.

One would have thought the the so-call independent review board would have tried to avoid the appearance of impropriety.

What's the impropriety in any of things your post mentions (and you're wrong about Pickering, by the way)?
 
What's the impropriety in any of things your post mentions (and you're wrong about Pickering, by the way)?

What is wrong is each of those facts leads to the inescapable conclusion that the ARB was not independent, which undoubtedly was a huge factor in its ultimate failure.

/I am quite confident of my statement regarding Pickering, but am always willing to reconsider. What facts do you have to support your claim that I am wrong?
 
We are certain avid readers of this thread will understand it. Look Polaris and ANTPogo understood perfectly.

I said I didn't follow your comment. If you could explain your reasoning why giving a draft to Hillary and her lawyer does not create the appearance of impropriety, I would be happy to consider it.
 
What is wrong is each of those facts leads to the inescapable conclusion that the ARB was not independent, which undoubtedly was a huge factor in its ultimate failure.

How, precisely, do those things lead to the "inescapable conclusion" that the ARB was not independent? Especially considering that one of the items in your list is that the current Secretary of State overturned the penalties meted out by the ARB. If the ARB wasn't independent and was merely doing what State officials wanted them to, why did anything have to get rescinded in the first place?

/I am quite confident of my statement regarding Pickering, but am always willing to reconsider. What facts do you have to support your claim that I am wrong?

Because we went over those specific claims in this very thread, and how Issa was revealed to be less than truthful in his description of Pickering's supposed "refusal", as well the laughable notion that Pickering couldn't to testify during a later hearing because the Democrats didn't call him as a witness that day, with no explanation for why the Republicans didn't call him.
 
How, precisely, do those things lead to the "inescapable conclusion" that the ARB was not independent? Especially considering that one of the items in your list is that the current Secretary of State overturned the penalties meted out by the ARB. If the ARB wasn't independent and was merely doing what State officials wanted them to, why did anything have to get rescinded in the first place?



Because we went over those specific claims in this very thread, and how Issa was revealed to be less than truthful in his description of Pickering's supposed "refusal", as well the laughable notion that Pickering couldn't to testify during a later hearing because the Democrats didn't call him as a witness that day, with no explanation for why the Republicans didn't call him.

Kerry rescinded those penalties because they were inappropriate, because the people penalized were not in a position to influence security. The people at the higher echelons were not penalized, heck some of them were not even interviewed. The ARB report under Hillary Clinton was a whitewash, and the fact that Kerry was compelled to vacate the punishment on the scapegoats is evidence of that.

/with all due respect, your comments regarding Pickering make no sense. Pickering was not scheduled to testify that day (in fact he said: "The White House pulled me back") and he was in fact called as a witness, and did testify, and I believe that he was in fact called by the House Committee Leader.
 
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Kerry rescinded those penalties because they were inappropriate, because the people penalized were not in a position to influence security. The people at the higher echelons were not penalized, heck some of them were not even interviewed. The ARB report under Hillary Clinton was a whitewash, and the fact that Kerry was compelled to vacate the punishment on the scapegoats is evidence of that.

How is the fact that Kerry rescinded the punishment of the people identified as responsible in the ARB report because (according to you) they were not actually responsible an indication that the ARB was not independent?

/with all due respect, your comments regarding Pickering make no sense. Pickering was not scheduled to testify that day (in fact he said: "The White House pulled me back")

He said he wanted to testify, but the White House pulled him back. Issa's committee never even invited him to testify that day (what the White House pulled Pickering back from was Pickering's own voluntary desire to appear before the committee).

Issa then lied and said that "Ambassador Pickering, his people and he refused to come before our committee" - Pickering didn't refuse, he wanted and was willing to testify, and the committee never called him to testify before them (as Pickering noted, because "we were told the majority said I was not welcome at that hearing").

and he was in fact called as a witness, and did testify, and I believe that he was in fact called by the House Committee Leader.

The third time. The first time was the above, in March when Issa and the Republicans didn't want him to testify and then lied and said he "refused", and the second time was in May, when Pickering again said he wanted to testify, and Issa's excuse for not letting him testify was that the White House simply didn't make a formal proper request to have the Democrats call him as a witness that say (Issa claimed that had the White House made that formal request, "we would have allowed him"). The Republicans made no effort to call Pickering themselves as a witness that day, despite being told that he wanted to testify.

In neither March nor May did Issa's committee invite Pickering to testify, in fact, and on both of these days, by the way, were days of public testimony.

When Pickering was finally called as a witness, Issa strangely insisted that his testimony be heard behind closed doors, instead of in public like the two instances where Issa did not invite Pickering to testify and did not allow him to speak.
 
When Pickering was finally called as a witness, Issa strangely insisted that his testimony be heard behind closed doors, instead of in public like the two instances where Issa did not invite Pickering to testify and did not allow him to speak.

Pickering testified in public. I am certain I do not understand where you are getting your facts.

"Republicans" invited Pickering to testify on March 14. http://abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/2013-02-22%20JC%20to%20Pickering%20-%20Hearing%20Invite%20ARB%20Benghazi%203-14.pdf

Pickering declined. He did not agree to reschedule.

On the MORNING the whistleblowers were scheduled to testify, he showed up as part of a white house orchestrated stunt, "volunteering" to testify.

He eventually agreed to provide a deposition and testified IN PUBLIC last week.

For the reasons I have explained at length, his testimony was disastrous from the stand point of the State Department and the ARB.
 
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