New Disclosures on Benghazi

[A'isha]

That is how ANTPogo describes the ongoing investigation into the murder of four Americans.

It's not an ongoing investigation into the murder of four Americans. It's a fishing expedition attempting to find something to attack the President, his party, and especially Clinton with, with no regard whatsoever for the truth about what happened or any interest in finding ways to ensure something like that never happens again.

Otherwise, Issa would have grilled Hicks about his own role and failures the night of the attacks, instead of parading him around triumphantly and using his testimony for purely political purposes.

 

[The Big Dog]

Please calculate the blame that Hicks deserves for 1. watching TV; 2. missing two phone calls at 9:45 at night.

Plus now we should start a list of PEOPLE TO BLAME:

1. Hicks, number one (obviously)
2. 16.5
3. Stevens

So we have learned that it is NOT LEGITIMATE to investigate Obama, the Administration and Sec of State Hillary Clinton, but that it is perfectly legitimate to excoriate low level career diplomats for watching TV in their private quarters at night.

Obama: MIA all night. Leave him alone!!!
Hicks: MIA from 9:45 to 9:50, BURN HIM!

 

[A'isha]

It only takes a few minutes before Telly once again misrepresents what I stated.

Telly didn't misrepresent a single thing you stated. You most definitely twisted my comments about Hicks and Issa's "hearings" into an egregious strawman.

 

[The Big Dog]

So we have learned that it is NOT LEGITIMATE to investigate Obama, the Administration and Sec of State Hillary Clinton, but that it is perfectly legitimate to excoriate low level career diplomats for watching TV in their private quarters at night.

Obama: MIA all night. Leave him alone!!!
Hicks: MIA from 9:45 to 9:50, BURN HIM!

Telly didn't misrepresent a single thing you stated. You most definitely twisted my comments about Hicks and Issa's "hearings" into an egregious strawman.

If anything, I understated your characterization about the hearings, which you called, and I quote:

"Issa's partisan clownshow."

As for Hicks, say, ANTPogo, did any of the Democrats on the committee ask Hicks what he was doing in the short period between the first call, and the Security officer running into his private quarters?

Don't answer, we all know that no one did, because it is *********** pants on head stupid.

You should bring it up again though: Hicks, Bad Guy Number One.

Leave Hillary Alone!

(i love this thread)

 

[A'isha]

If anything, I understated your characterization about the hearings, which you called, and I quote:

"Issa's partisan clownshow."

You appear to be laboring under the bizarre impression that the only two choices when it comes to investigating what happened at Benghazi are either Issa's theater of the absurd, or nothing.

As for Hicks, say, ANTPogo, did any of the Democrats on the committee ask Hicks what he was doing in the short period between the first call, and the Security officer running into his private quarters?

Who was in charge of the hearings under the pretense that they simply wanted to get at the Truth about what happened and where the failures that allowed it to happen were, again?

You should bring it up again though: Hicks, Bad Guy Number One.

Leave Hillary Alone!

(i love this thread)

When you're done beating up your strawman, feel free to start actually posting some "new disclosures" in it (and explain what the scandal here is).

 

[The Big Dog]

Who was in charge of the hearings under the pretense that they simply wanted to get at the Truth about what happened and where the failures that allowed it to happen were, again?
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ANT, you keep on bringing up Hicks, and claiming that because he wasn't asked about the fact he missed two phone calls (a fact that he himself volunteered), that it shows that the hearings are not legitimate but are rather a partisan "clownshow."

The problem of course (putting aside the fact that you are furious that they are holding hearings into this tragedy in the first place) is the fact that Democrats are also sitting on the committee and have the right to ask these questions, and the fact that Issa is (not was) in charge does not change that fact one tiny single bit.

And no one asked Hicks about the insignificant delay (which made no *********** difference at all, of course) because it is pants on head ridiculous.

Demonize Hicks all you want (I believe you called him an idiot, right), it just shows that you have NO IDEA how Congressional Investigations work.

 

[A'isha]

ANT, you keep on bringing up Hicks, and claiming that because he wasn't asked about the fact he missed two phone calls (a fact that he himself volunteered), that it shows that the hearings are not legitimate but are rather a partisan "clownshow."

Well, that's merely one of many, many signs.

The problem of course (putting aside the fact that you are furious that they are holding hearings into this tragedy in the first place)

See my correction to your Fallacy of the Excluded Middle above.

is the fact that Democrats are also sitting on the committee and have the right to ask these questions, and the fact that Issa is (not was) in charge does not change that fact one tiny single bit.

This is just a variant of the same argument you and the rest of the right wing tried to use to handwave away the fact that Issa didn't call Pickering to testify on May 8th. What the Democrats on the panel did or didn't do has no bearing on what Issa on the Republicans did (and your argument to the contrary is a classic tu quoque fallacy).

And no one asked Hicks about the insignificant delay (which made no *********** difference at all, of course)

And you know this because...why, exactly? And why is "it ended up not making a difference" a valid defense now, according to you, when you refused to accept it when it the Obama Administration used it?

Or did I just answer my own question?

Demonize Hicks all you want (I believe you called him an idiot, right), it just shows that you have NO IDEA how Congressional Investigations work.

I know how they work under Issa, that's for sure.

 

[The Big Dog]

This is just a variant of the same argument you and the rest of the right wing tried to use to handwave away the fact that Issa didn't call Pickering to testify on May 8th. What the Democrats on the panel did or didn't do has no bearing on what Issa on the Republicans did (and your argument to the contrary is a classic tu quoque fallacy).

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This is LOVELY! You see ANTPogo said that the Republicans didn't ask Hicks about it. And I said well neither did the Democrats.

Ant is trying to claim that I am suggesting a tu quoque fallacy. I am doing nothing of the sort, of course, as I have made perfect, abundantly clear that the reason no one asked Hicks about it is because it completely insignificant, completely irrelevant and completely pants on head stupid.

I thought I made that clear. Lolz

And Pickering, ANTPogo? He sat for his prehearing interview, and will testify before the entire hearing this summer.

I've explained that ANTPogo, just another one of the new developments brought to you by:

16.5.

Don't bother to thank me.

 

[A'isha]

Ant is trying to claim that I am suggesting a tu quoque fallacy.

You aren't "suggesting" a tu quoque fallacy. You're committing a tu quoque fallacy.

I am doing nothing of the sort, of course, as I have made perfect, abundantly clear that the reason no one asked Hicks about it is because it completely insignificant, completely irrelevant and completely pants on head stupid.

So you assert, even though Issa and the Republicans never bothered to actually investigate it. Because they aren't interested in checking into Hicks' role and whether it was significant or wasn't significant, just as long as they can use him for partisan attacks on the Administration and Clinton.

And Pickering, ANTPogo? He sat for his prehearing interview, and will testify before the entire hearing this summer.

Which would be why I specified the May 8th hearing that Issa got caught lying about.

 

[The Big Dog]

You aren't "suggesting" a tu quoque fallacy. You're committing a tu quoque fallacy.

So you assert, even though Issa and the Republicans never bothered to actually investigate it. Because they aren't interested in checking into Hicks' role and whether it was significant or wasn't significant, just as long as they can use him for partisan attacks on the Administration and Clinton.

tsk tsk tsk, such faulty arguments.

You are claiming that because the Republican didn't investigate the issue, blah blah blah, BAD REPUBLICANS!

I pointed out that no one, neither Republicans nor Democrats investigated the two missed phone calls because it was so ridiculously insignificant that it would have been utterly ludicrous for anyone, republican, Democrat, Independent, animal vegetable or mineral to ask Greg Hicks about it. I'm not saying the Democrats acted hypocritically in anyway in not asking him the question, because the question is utterly ridiculous to the point of absurdity.

We get that you don't like Greg Hicks and think he is an idiot, for testifying before Congress. That is why you have raised such a preposterous argument. However, your argument is consistent though with the white wash investigation though, lets blame the little guys, we don't even need to talk to Hillary about the 4 murders. What a joke.

 

[A'isha]

You are claiming that because the Republican didn't investigate the issue, blah blah blah, BAD REPUBLICANS!

No, I'm saying the Republicans didn't investigate the issue because they don't care about anything other than finding some club to use against the Administration and Clinton.

I'm not saying the Democrats acted hypocritically in anyway in not asking him the question, because the question is utterly ridiculous to the point of absurdity.

Why is it ridiculous to ask why the person in charge at Embassy Tripoli was too busy watching TV during the 9/11 anniversary while Stevens was in a highly dangerous city to even know that Stevens was calling him to say he was being attacked until after some lower-ranking staffers had to come to his house and tell him?

We get that you don't like Greg Hicks and think he is an idiot, for testifying before Congress.

No, that's not why I think he's an idiot.

That is why you have raised such a preposterous argument. However, your argument is consistent though with the white wash investigation though, lets blame the little guys, we don't even need to talk to Hillary about the 4 murders. What a joke.

The second in command of the entire Libya diplomatic mission and the person left in charge at the main embassy was a "little guy"?

 

[The Big Dog]

No, I'm saying the Republicans didn't investigate the issue because they don't care about anything other than finding some club to use against the Administration and Clinton.

Why is it ridiculous to ask why the person in charge at Embassy Tripoli was too busy watching TV during the 9/11 anniversary while Stevens was in a highly dangerous city to even know that Stevens was calling him to say he was being attacked until after some lower-ranking staffers had to come to his house and tell him?

No, that's not why I think he's an idiot.

The second in command of the entire Libya diplomatic mission and the person left in charge at the main embassy was a "little guy"?

Well certainly, if it such a big issue (and you've never explained what difference it made) the Democrats must SURELY have asked him, right?

Right ANTPogo, I mean it is huge, and the Democrats must have asked him, right?

Oh wait, they didn't. It must be that the Democrats didn't investigate the issue because they don't care about anything other than finding some club to use against the Administration and Clinton! Right, antpogo? Hee hee!

"The second in command of the entire Libya diplomatic mission and the person left in charge at the main embassy was a "little guy"?"

Oh my stars! Yeah ANTpogo, when Greg Hicks got back and got called on the carpet by Liz Jones, he really showed what a big deal he was.

Greg Hicks is AT LEAST 5 levels below Hillary in the State Department. Why is he bullying Hillary and the President of the United States with his testimony under oath?!?

/I love this thread SO MUCH!

 

[A'isha]

Well certainly, if it such a big issue (and you've never explained what difference it made) the Democrats must SURELY have asked him, right?

Right ANTPogo, I mean it is huge, and the Democrats must have asked him, right?

Oh wait, they didn't. It must be that the Democrats didn't investigate the issue because they don't care about anything other than finding some club to use against the Administration and Clinton! Right, antpogo? Hee hee!

And we're right back to the tu quoque fallacy, I see.

Oh my stars! Yeah ANTpogo, when Greg Hicks got back and got called on the carpet by Liz Jones, he really showed what a big deal he was.

Greg Hicks is AT LEAST 5 levels below Hillary in the State Department. Why is he bullying Hillary and the President of the United States with his testimony under oath?!?

Was he or was he not the person in charge at Embassy Tripoli the night of September 11, 2012?

 

[The Big Dog]

And we're right back to the tu quoque fallacy, I see.

Was he or was he not the person in charge at Embassy Tripoli the night of September 11, 2012?

tu quoque! Man, you really don't get it do you.

The investigation report has been criticized as a snow job designed to protect the policy and decision makers, including Hillary. For god's sake, they didn't even talk to her. And despite that glaring failure, you continually suggest that a peon like Greg hicks somehow failed because he didn't answer the phone for a couple of minutes.

Every post you make on Hicks is just another inch on top of the snow job. Your argument is utterly ludicrous, I thought I made that point quite clear.

No one, literally no one believes that Greg Hick's failure to answer the phone at night in his personal quarters and the resulting what? delay? made the slightest bit of difference, and you have certainly not suggested let alone made the case that it did so.

This is a mite on the tick on the back of a donkey's ass, and you have your little magnifying glass out screaming about it.

I think it is absolutely marvelous. ANTPogo thinks that Greg Hicks is an idiot folks... that tells you one hell of a lot about ANTPogo's arguments, doesn't it?

 

[A'isha]

The investigation report has been criticized as a snow job designed to protect the policy and decision makers, including Hillary.

Yes, and those "criticisms" are right on the same level as the partisan hacks who rail against the Obama Administration for ordering a "stand down" (despite the fact that never actually happened).

The ARB Report was very clear about the problems that existed before the attacks, the mistakes and errors that allowed it to happen, and the recommendations for fixing those problems so it wouldn't happen again.

Issa's hearings, on the other hand, have done none of that. As evidenced by the fact that you still can't give us ant "new disclosures" from or even explain what the "scandal" being "investigated" actually is.

And despite that glaring failure, you continually suggest that a peon like Greg hicks somehow failed because he didn't answer the phone for a couple of minutes.

A peon? You're labeling the second in command of the entire Libyan diplomatic mission and the person in sole charge at Embassy Tripoli on 9/11/12 a peon?

Okay.

I think it is absolutely marvelous. ANTPogo thinks that Greg Hicks is an idiot folks... that tells you one hell of a lot about ANTPogo's arguments, doesn't it?

No one seems to care about that but you.

 

[The Big Dog]

A peon? You're labeling the second in command of the entire Libyan diplomatic mission and the person in sole charge at Embassy Tripoli on 9/11/12 a peon?
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Compared to the Secretary of State and the President, damn straight I am.

Fortunately some folks see no problem blaming the underlings.

Like you.

Tell us more about Greg Hicks, the idiot, ANTPogo, because we know you SURE as hell ain't gonna tell us why the brief delay made a difference.

 

[A'isha]

Compared to the Secretary of State and the President, damn straight I am.

Yes, I know you have your targets and your predetermined findings of their blame. Issa does too.

Tell us more about Greg Hicks, the idiot, ANTPogo, because we know you SURE as hell ain't gonna tell us why the brief delay made a difference.

Hmm...and again, "it wouldn't have made any difference" is an adequate defense for someone who tells you what you want to hear regarding your predetermined findings above, when it was totally inadequate when used by those you've already decided to blame.

 

[The Big Dog]

Yes, I know you have your targets and your predetermined findings of their blame. Issa does too.

Hmm...and again, "it wouldn't have made any difference" is an adequate defense for someone who tells you what you want to hear regarding your predetermined findings above, when it was totally inadequate when used by those you've already decided to blame.

dodge, dip, dive, duck, and dodge.

Hicks the idiot should be investigated!
Why?
Because you already made up your mind!

lol wut?

Folks, you just cannot make this stuff up!

 

[Shalamar]

dodge, dip, dive, duck, and dodge.

Yes. You're very good at it. Mostly.

Hicks the idiot should be investigated!
Why?
Because you already made up your mind!

You really want to plac words in people mouths, don't you?

It's obvious you've made up your mind, and won't be satisfied until the Obama administration is brought low.


Tell me, how do you feel about the actions that night?
[/quote]lol wut? [/quote]

Thought so. You refuse to take it seriously, and are HAPPY those people died, so you can use them against the administration to force your conclusions.

Folks, you just cannot make this stuff up!

No. We can't. For all your disgusting posts are there for people to see.
Keep on cheering the deaths of your fellow Americans.

 

[The Big Dog]

No. We can't. For all your disgusting posts are there for people to see.
Keep on cheering the deaths of your fellow Americans.

FACEPALM.

I think you meant that for the person calling the investigation into this "Issa's partisan clownshow."

Or maybe the person trying to blame low level employees.

Or the person that was posting my little pony references in this thread.