New Disclosures on Benghazi

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What about the "makes up fallacy" fallacy?

Seriously, you can't even identify where the scandal is. You keep jumping around hoping something will gain traction. You keep alleging wrong doing by the administration but you really, really can't demonstrate it beyond a reasonable doubt. You just keep JAQing off.

Yeah, you really should not make up silly fallacies. (unless you are talking about the one in my sig, then I think i'll just use one of those smilie things: Jaw drop!)

And color me surprised that the Obama army is willing to acquit them.

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Thanks for posting
 
Yeah, you really should not make up silly fallacies. (unless you are talking about the one in my sig, then I think i'll just use one of those smilie things: Jaw drop!)

Good non answer. You act like a conspiracy nut and then try to play the victim when people call you on it. If you don't want to be labelled as a CTer try to actually support your positions.

And color me surprised that the Obama army is willing to acquit them.

Meh, I'm largely disappointed with the Obama administration. They're probably still better than Romney would have been, but, to be honest, we'll never actually know. Your dislike of Obama is far, far greater than my liking of him. I do, however, require real evidence to support claims of scandal - you know, aside from "I don't like him so he must have done something bad". You've not demonstrated any evidence, just unsupported conclusions that say far more about you than they do about any of the people involved in Benghazi.
 
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Good non answer. You act like a conspiracy nut and then try to play the victim when people call you on it. If you don't want to be labelled as a CTer try to actually support your positions.

That is easily the first time in a long while that I've seen someone so aggressively proud of using a fallacy.

Ad hominem labeling is not an argument.

Anything substantive to add, or just going to continue attacking me personally?
 
That is easily the first time in a long while that I've seen someone so aggressively proud of using a fallacy.

Ad hominem labeling is not an argument.

I'm not arguing against your position, since you haven't really provided one, I'm telling you how you're "arguing". It's not an ad hom because I'm not dismissing your arguments for personal reasons. You should read what the fallacies are before you start throwing them out.

Anything substantive to add, or just going to continue attacking me personally?

I noticed you ignored the part where I asked you to actually provide tangible evidence. That thing that I, and others, have been asking for for many, many pages.
 
That is easily the first time in a long while that I've seen someone so aggressively proud of using a fallacy.

A pretty ironic statement for someone who has created an entire thread using nothing more than an Argument From Incredulity.
 
Ad hominem labeling is not an argument.

Anything substantive to add, or just going to continue attacking me personally?

Yawn. More trying to divert attention from the fact that you have nothing to support anything that you claim. And you're the last one who should be complaining about "ad hominem" attacks, not the Elbe's post was one anyway.
 
There is so much hand waving in this thread, it is like quayside during fleet week.

Gee, we have been discussing daily developments regarding the Benghazi terror attack during what is easily the most active period since it began, and the Hoard is claiming that I am guilty of arguing from incredulity. Hell, I'm not even arguing, since the facts speak for themselves and it takes two to argue, and I'm not finding anything of substance on the otherside.

Except for "Teh conpiracies!!" of course.

Hopefully we'll pick up with the documents tomorrow, unless the Obama Administration reveals some other gross violations of civil rights, amiright?
 
There is so much hand waving in this thread, it is like quayside during fleet week.

For once, 16.5 got something right.

Gee, we have been discussing daily developments regarding the Benghazi terror attack during what is easily the most active period since it began,

It is?

and the Hoard is claiming that I am guilty of arguing from incredulity.

And you don't think that you are?

Hell, I'm not even arguing,

What do you call it? Just asking questions?

since the facts speak for themselves

We could determine that if you'd actually post some.

and it takes two to argue, and I'm not finding anything of substance on the otherside.

Oh, my! I think that I've been insulted.


Hopefully we'll pick up with the documents tomorrow, unless the Obama Administration reveals some other gross violations of civil rights, amiright?

This should be entertaining.
 
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For once, 16.5 got something right.



It is?



And you don't think that you are?



What do you call it? Just asking questions?



We could determine that if you'd actually post some.



Oh, my! I think that I've been insulted.




This should be entertaining.

Starts out with a personal attack and devolves....

Thanks for posting. Ploink
 
Gee, we have been discussing daily developments regarding the Benghazi terror attack during what is easily the most active period since it began


Apropos: Libya clashes kill 31 in Benghazi

Al Akhbar said:
Clashes in Libya's second city of Benghazi between former rebels and anti-militia demonstrators killed at least 31 people and wounded more than 100, the LANA news agency said on Sunday.

It cited a statement from al-Jala hospital in the eastern city – cradle of the revolution that toppled dictator Muammar Gaddafi in 2011 – as giving the new toll from Saturday's clashes, up from 28 dead. [...]

The fighting erupted after dozens of demonstrators, some of them armed, tried to dislodge the powerful "Shield of Libya" brigade from its barracks, an AFP correspondent at the scene on Saturday said.

They encircled the headquarters and called on regular security forces to step in, saying they wanted rid of armed militias in the city. [...]

The post-Gaddafi authorities, who have still not formed a professional new army and police service, often call on groups such as "Shield of Libya" to intervene in tribal conflicts. [...]


The social fabric of Libya remains totally destroyed after the heinous NATO assault, and that guy Stevens was neck-deep into propping up those "rebels" who later killed him. And people like him work on repeating it in Syria.

That's the real scandal here.

If one doesn't only care about Americans.
 
Apropos: Libya clashes kill 31 in Benghazi




The social fabric of Libya remains totally destroyed after the heinous NATO assault, and that guy Stevens was neck-deep into propping up those "rebels" who later killed him. And people like him work on repeating it in Syria.

That's the real scandal here.

If one doesn't only care about Americans.

We've pretty much established that it was jihadist militia coupled with al qua'ida scum bags from Yemen that killed "that guy" Stevens, sport. The al qua'ida scum bags are the ones killing the Assad scum bags in Syria. The Hezbollah scum bags are killing them, along with the chemical weapons from the Assad scum bags. Which the Russian scum bags are supporting.

And no, Syria has nothing to do with this thread. How are the cit scum bags?
 
Thanks for posting.

You're very welcome.

Incidentally, it is not a "personal attack" to claim that you haven't got much right in this thread. But playing the victim card to try to obscure the fact that you offer nothing to support your (vague and shifting) claims is apparently one of your SOPs.
 
There is so much hand waving in this thread, it is like quayside during fleet week.

This is not arm waving:

I challenge you to substantiate or retract two claims you made in this thread. 1) That there were 100 people killed in the Benghazi attack, and 2) that the Obama administration overtly lied to deflect responsibility for the deaths.

Gee, we have been discussing daily developments regarding the Benghazi terror attack during what is easily the most active period since it began,
Again, what new developments led you to make the two claims I've been challenging?

Except for "Teh conpiracies!!" of course.
Nope. You're wrong, and you're mischaracterizing what we've said. This thread belongs in Conspiracy Theories because it is pushing one or more theories of a large conspiracy that would be some sort of scandal in the Obama administration AND because it is not generating any discussion of politics or policy.
 
Ok, lets hit your links, champ!

From the first one: Most news accounts do not mention the number of attackers killed. "Benghazi: The Definitive Report" claims that just under 100 attackers were killed.

And the next one:

"There have been widespread reports over the past three days that up to ten Libyans died fighting against the militants in the attack late on Tuesday evening and as many as 18 were wounded. "

Fighting against the militants.... hmmm, how many "militants" then, Joe. Reads rest of article. Hmmm, Joe, it doesn't say.

So your first says 100, the second doesn't say at all. Wow Joe! Awesome work.

Game over, thanks to Joe we have established that about 100 militants were killed.

Thanks JOE!!!

This is not arm waving:

I challenge you to substantiate or retract two claims you made in this thread. 1) That there were 100 people killed in the Benghazi attack, and 2) that the Obama administration overtly lied to deflect responsibility for the deaths.

You are in position to challenge anyone about anything. Stop spamming the thread with your nonsense please.
 
You are in position to challenge anyone about anything. Stop spamming the thread with your nonsense please.

Ok, lets hit your links, champ!

From the first one: Most news accounts do not mention the number of attackers killed. "Benghazi: The Definitive Report" claims that just under 100 attackers were killed.

And the next one:

"There have been widespread reports over the past three days that up to ten Libyans died fighting against the militants in the attack late on Tuesday evening and as many as 18 were wounded. "

Fighting against the militants.... hmmm, how many "militants" then, Joe. Reads rest of article. Hmmm, Joe, it doesn't say.

So your first says 100, the second doesn't say at all. Wow Joe! Awesome work.

Game over, thanks to Joe we have established that about 100 militants were killed.

Thanks JOE!!!

Why are you so intensely focused on avoiding answering his questions? Why can't you simply answer his questions?

:jaw-dropp
 

Yes, I had that same reaction to the idea that you believe any of the above answers either of JoeTheJuggler's questions (that you substantiate or retract the two specific claims he describes).

So, stop avoiding the issue, and either substantiate them, or retract them already.
 
Ok, lets [sic] hit your links, champ!
About damn time! And no mention of the fact that you falsely claimed repeatedly that I had not provided them?

From the first one: Most news accounts do not mention the number of attackers killed.
I never noticed that statement before. Curiously, it's not in the section I've been citing, the section titled "Fatalities and Injuries". In fact, under "Fatalities and Injuries" the totals are 4 killed and 10 injured.

However, I don't quibble with the fact that most (well--"all" would be more accurate) news account do not mention any attackers killed. Indeed, that's part of the evidence I've offered. If your claim were true, it would require a vast conspiracy of silence on the part of competing news agencies that have no rational motive for keeping mum about something like that.

Also, you have the big problem of the discussion of evidence to be gleaned from these bodies (or questions about what was done with all those bodies) that hasn't happened. It's a glaring absence where we would expect something if your claim were true.


"Benghazi: The Definitive Report" claims that just under 100 attackers were killed.
Indeed--that is the unsubstantiated claim in question. Yes, the Wikipedia article I cited mentions that this claim was made in this book.

"There have been widespread reports over the past three days that up to ten Libyans died fighting against the militants in the attack late on Tuesday evening and as many as 18 were wounded. "
Yes, and if you continued reading that article, you'd see that it points out that those early reports were wrong. In fact, it quotes the Libyan government saying in no uncertain terms that no Libyans were killed. 7 were injured, bringing the total figure to 4 dead and 10 wounded.

Fighting against the militants.... hmmm, how many "militants" then, Joe. Reads rest of article. Hmmm, Joe, it doesn't say.
It says that none were killed. It says that clearly and unequivocally. I quoted the text. Early reports that Libyans were killed (and nothing close to 100 even in those erroneous early reports) were wrong.

So your first says 100, the second doesn't say at all. Wow Joe! Awesome work.
No. Neither of those sources says 100. It says that your book only reports that figure. No source is given substantiating it. Where did Murphy and Webb get this information? Is the fact that they're bestselling authors enough to substantiate any claim they make? Do you suppose anything in print must be true?


Game over, thanks to Joe we have established that about 100 militants were killed.
Nope. We've still got your huge Conspiracy Theory on this matter.

All the news agencies are keeping mum about these 100 deaths and only your partisan source has it right.

That is not a substantiated claim.

And what about your other claim, that the Obama administration overtly lied to deflect responsibility for these deaths?
 
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