New Disclosures on Benghazi

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How much taxpayer money have these "fiscal conservatives" been flushing down the toilet desperately looking for some scandal to latch onto?
 
16.5 said:
They lied about the attack spontaneously arising out of a anti-video protest.
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That was in the CIA talking points from the very beginning, long before it was distributed to anyone outside the agency.

16.5 said:
The fact that the Administration deleted the reference to Al Quaeda and Ansar al Sharia in the 9/14 talking point memo, as already mentioned in this thread.
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The CIA also removed the references to al-Qaeda before the talking points were distributed outside the agency for comment. The other edits were made later by acting CIA director Mike Morell.
 
WTH is going on? Have rabid CTs hijacked the accounts of people in this thread? I mean, 16.5's posts read no different than what we find in the CT forum.

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uke2se said:
WTH is going on? Have rabid CTs hijacked the accounts of people in this thread? I mean, 16.5's posts read no different than what we find in the CT forum.

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You're stretching. A lot.

The NYTimes has a write up of the hearing. You'll notice the lack the "omg this is a conspiracy theory!" in their article.
 
16.5 said:
Tu Quoque is a very common fallacy in which one attempts to defend oneself or another from criticism...
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I am doing no such thing. I've not tried to defend myself or Obama. I've said over and over that if he did something criminal or unethical I want him held accountable. This has nothing to do with me that needs defending. So you are simply wrong. I'm pointing out A.) The outrage is obviously fake. B.) The claims that are being made are politicaly motivated. Those are imperical claims and can be demonstrated easily.

You keep demanding that Obama lied. You haven't demonstrated that but so what? Didn't Bush lie about countless things that got thousands killed? Yes or No?

You claim Obama lied and people died and so you are outraged. Okay, what about the fact that Bush lied and thousands died and many thousands more deformed, maimed, psychologically damaged. Where is that outrage?

I am not using anything that happened to Bush to excuse or defend Obama's behavior. I have said over and over that if Obama has conspired to mislead the American people then he ought to be held accountable. One does not affect the other. It's not about defending Obama. It's about the fake outrage and demonstrating that your motivation is political.
 
Cleon said:
How much taxpayer money have these "fiscal conservatives" been flushing down the toilet desperately looking for some scandal to latch onto?
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why don't you ask the witnesses whose friends died, who still believe that the Embassies remain unsafe, who were told not to talk to the Congress, and who were demoted whether they think it was worth the money.

There is not a single terrorist in custody.
 
16.5 said:
I don't? Hmm, I've read the initial 9/14 memo, the changes, and the final version.

Haven't you?
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Yes, and? This is the typical "connect the dots" nonsense you will find in any CT thread. It is not a smoking gun of anything.
 
16.5 said:
I don't? Hmm, I've read the initial 9/14 memo, the changes, and the final version.
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And what did those versions say about the origins of the attacks, and how was the verbiage about those origins changed, and by who?
 
The NYTimes has a write up of the hearing. You'll notice the lack the "omg this is a conspiracy theory!" in their article.
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Oddly enough you will also notice the lack of any actionable information.
 
Newtons Bit said:
And the testimony more or less echos 16.5's OP. So. Where's the conspiracy theory?
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The part where the Obama Administration deliberately altered the talking points to remove references to a terrorist attack and add in accusations that a "right-wing video" was at the root of what happened, and that the Administration also ordered a stand-down of military forces that could have helped during the attacks.
 
ANTPogo said:
It's basically just a flat description of Hicks' testimony. Which, as you say, is pretty much meaningless.
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At the end of the day no one can point to a smoking gun. The thread rightly belongs in the CT form. As Maddow said last night, it's "concoct the dots". There are few if any dots to connect and what there are disparate. There is no case here of anything. Did Obama lie? If so about what and why? Finally, where is the evidence?
 
RandFan said:
At the end of the day no one can point to a smoking gun. The thread rightly belongs in the CT form. As Maddow said last night, it's "concoct the dots". There are few if any dots to connect and what there are disparate. There is no case here of anything. Did Obama lie? If so about what and why? Finally, where is the evidence?
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A thread on a current testimony before a Congressional Committee belong in the CT forum? How desperate are you to sweep any embarrassing activity by the Obama Administration* under the rug?

* may not involve Obama himself.
 
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16.5 said:
why don't you ask the witnesses whose friends died, who still believe that the Embassies remain unsafe, who were told not to talk to the Congress, and who were demoted whether they think it was worth the money.
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Plea to emotion noted.

There is not a single terrorist in custody.
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And desperately trying to blame the entire incident on the Obama administration will change that how, exactly?
 
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