New Disclosures on Benghazi

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16.5 said:
Sure he was, you've seen the entire report right? Because Maxwell hasn't.

Poetry:

A guy who worked up on the ladder
His career now broken and shatter'd
The talking points lied
four guys have died
And Hills asks what does it matter.
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I had no idea trolls could rhyme.
 
16.5 said:
Hicks, idiot
Maxwell, whiner
16.5, troll/bad guy.

I'm missing a bunch I know
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Sure you're missing a bunch, but what you've mentioned above is accurate. At first, I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were inquiring about the Benghazi "scandal" and were interested in what actually happened. Now, there is no doubt. You have a pre-drawn conclusion that the evil Obama is part of a conspiracy to cover up some evil plot that happened during Benghazi. No amount of evidence to the contrary bothers you.
 
16.5 said:
Sure he was, you've seen the entire report right? Because Maxwell hasn't.
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You mean this one?

Poetry:

A guy who worked up on the ladder
His career now broken and shatter'd
The talking points lied
four guys have died
And Hills asks what does it matter.
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So this is now a poetry thread? Ok, I can do that...

When searching for my ideal lasses / I tend to prefer those in glasses / But curiously / some cute girls can see / so I really should cover my ass's
 
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Art of Trolling said:
I am a troll from interwebs!
I love to argue constantly.
Because I don't have much to say,
I just repeat it endlessly.

I must restate the same old point
until my critics fall away.
I just repeat it endlessly
because I don't have much to say.

I ramble on and on and on
restating my tautology.
Because I don't have much to say,
I just repeat it endlessly.
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Hicks, anger, prime minister, hearings, FOX News, Nuland, bucking for promotion. rinse and repeat.
 
16.5 said:
A part of that is classified
The Star Chamber has been deified
You can't confront your accuser
as such he's likely a loser
One might even say that his ass is fried
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Hasn't The Star Chamber become a pejorative for politically motivated accusations and/or secret conspiracies?
 
Yellow light on this story because it's second-hand, but if it turns out to be true, this could be quite explosive:

Stevens’ mission in Benghazi, they will say, was to buy back Stinger missiles from al-Qaeda groups issued to them by the State Department, not by the CIA. Such a mission would usually be a CIA effort, but the intelligence agency had opposed the idea because of the high risk involved in arming “insurgents” with powerful weapons that endanger civilian aircraft.

Hillary Clinton still wanted to proceed because, in part, as one of the diplomats said, she wanted “to overthrow Gaddafi on the cheap.”

This left Stevens in the position of having to clean up the scandalous enterprise when it became clear that the “insurgents” actually were al-Qaeda – indeed, in the view of one of the diplomats, the same group that attacked the consulate and ended up killing Stevens.
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If Hillary sold Stinger missiles to al Qaeda, she's toast.
 
Brainster said:
Yellow light on this story because it's second-hand
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And because it not only is beating the "Obama ordered the military to stand down!" drum and repeats the "the Petraus affair scandal was to try and silence him about Benghazi!" groundless conspiracy theory, it also says the following:

Regarding General Ham, military contacts of the diplomats tell them that AFRICOM had Special Ops “assets in place that could have come to the aid of the Benghazi consulate immediately (not in six hours).”

Ham was told by the White House not to send the aid to the trapped men, but Ham decided to disobey and did so anyway, whereupon the White House “called his deputy and had the deputy threaten to relieve Ham of his command.”
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The problem is, this story is known to be false, originating solely from an anonymous message board poster at an LSU Tigers fan forum. Here's what the two former Special Forces operatives who wrote Benghazi: the Definitive Report said about General Ham in their "Mythbusting" chapter:

In the wake of the Benghazi attack, the political machine went into overdrive, each end of the spectrum trying to paint their opposition in the worst light possible. One rumor that began circling on the internet was that General Ham, the AFRICOM commander at the time of the 9/11/12 attack, had "gone rogue". The story went that the Obama administration did not want to send reinforcements or support to the GRS elements in Benghazi and had ordered General Ham to stand down air support and other assets that could have been moved into the theater. It was said that General Ham had blown off these orders and was preparing to support the GRS team when he was "apprehended" and later forced into retirement.

Great story, but completely false. Sources indicate that the DOD rebuttal is actually much closer to the truth in this case. The original rumor was spread by someone making an anonymous post on an internet message board. From there, rather dubious media outlets picked up the story and ran with it, fooling many people in the process.

"The speculation that General Ham is departing Africa Command due to events in Benghazi, Libya, on [Sept. 11,] 2012 is absolutely false," Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said in his statement. "General Ham's departure is part of routine succession planning that has been ongoing since July. He continues to serve in Africom with my complete confidence." (www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=118400)
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So, the fact that these unnamed "whistleblowers" are repeating long-debunked conspiracy claims makes me highly suspect.
 
ANTPogo said:
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The problem is, this story is known to be false, originating solely from an anonymous message board poster at an LSU Tigers fan forum. Here's what the two former Special Forces operatives who wrote Benghazi: the Definitive Report said about General Ham in their "Mythbusting" chapter:

So, the fact that these unnamed "whistleblowers" are repeating long-debunked conspiracy claims makes me highly suspect.
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Say... I was just thumbing through that book. It says that 100 terrorists were killed... huh....

I've heard tell that elsewhere.....
 
ANTPogo said:
Yes, and I keep asking you if you'd like to talk about what else the book says.
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Sorry, I was to busy getting excoriated by other members of the Hoard for citing the book to notice.

What else did you want to talk about?
 
16.5 said:
It is odd, I posted direct quotes in my post from the actual people involved.

Let me make one a little larger, for your review:

"Still, nobody knew at the outset how long the crisis was going to last. And officials familiar with FEST say it could have helped pave the way for the FBI to get into Benghazi much faster than the three weeks it ultimately took."

"nobody knew at the outset how long the crisis was going to last." Bears repeating, hmm?
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There were only 2 American outposts Benghazi. One of them had already been abandoned. Nobody knew now long the crisis was going to last works both ways.

Do you understand that FEST is a planning, information gathering, and support group? They are NOT combat personnel. It would have taken them half a day even to get to Libya and then some set up time before they could have accomplished anything, which would have been merely decide what resources were needed. If a rescue mission was needed quickly, there was a Marine unit in Spain already on alert. And possibly a military unit in Italy. They would have been in Benghazi before FEST ever got organized. So I once again ask what would have FEST accomplished (and how would have they accomplished it)?

Now, even IF it was a mistake not to send the FEST, that mistake was a bad judgement made under the stress of trying to determine how to handle a life-threatening situation with little information. How exactly does this constitute a cover-up? Nobody accused Reagan of covering up anything after 200+ Marines were killed in Beirut, which was the result of a clear case of bad planning.
 
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TellyKNeasuss said:
Do you understand that FEST is a planning, information gathering, and support group? They are NOT combat personnel. It would have taken them half a day even to get to Libya and then some set up time before they could have accomplished anything, which would have been merely decide what resources were needed. If a rescue mission was needed quickly, there was a Marine unit in Spain already on alert. And possibly a military unit in Italy. They would have been in Benghazi before FEST ever got organized.
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There were two Marine FAST (fleet antiterrorism security team) units in Rota, Spain. Both were ordered to deploy between midnight and 2 AM, Benghazi time, and arrived in Libya at around 9 PM.
 
ANTPogo said:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=9223559#post9223559
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Seriously? You want to discuss this:

"Because [CIA director] John Brennan is running his own private war, he is not going through the normal chain of command, and operations are not deconflicted. Ambassador Stevens, for instance, was not read on to the JSOC operations in Libya. He was kept in the dark and ultimately killed in a retaliation he could never have seen coming. Likewise, the CIA never knew what hit them. They were trying to track down fissile material in Libya and had no way of knowing what was coming. In the days after the attack, even GRS [the CIA's Global Response Staff] employees thought that the consulate was hit because Ansar al-Sharia was upset over some YouTube videos."

I mean, I am all for it, I would love to do that! Absolueteely, because that puts the Obama Administration directly in the cross hairs of a cover up!

I agree! With everything except one thing:

"Because [CIA director Deputy National Security Advisor for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, and Assistant to the President] John Brennan is running his own private war"

Remember, the attack took place in 2012, before Brennan became CIA Director.

Great find ANTPOgo!!!!
 
Brainster said:
Yellow light on this story because it's second-hand, but if it turns out to be true, this could be quite explosive:

If Hillary sold Stinger missiles to al Qaeda, she's toast.
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ANTPogo said:
And because it not only is beating the "Obama ordered the military to stand down!" drum and repeats the "the Petraus affair scandal was to try and silence him about Benghazi!" groundless conspiracy theory, it also says the following:

The problem is, this story is known to be false, originating solely from an anonymous message board poster at an LSU Tigers fan forum. Here's what the two former Special Forces operatives who wrote Benghazi: the Definitive Report said about General Ham in their "Mythbusting" chapter:

So, the fact that these unnamed "whistleblowers" are repeating long-debunked conspiracy claims makes me highly suspect.
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Damn you ANTPogo. This was like buying a lottery ticket. The odds of it panning out were virtually zero but it was a reason to hope. Couldn't you have given it a day before you stepped all over the dream?
 
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