New Disclosures on Benghazi - Part II

[BrooklynBaby]

"13 Hours" -- a movie made from the first hand accounts of the Benghazi survivors -- is at your local Redbox now. All Dems should invest $1.50 to rent the movie and see why so many of us were absolutely shocked at the Obama Administration's attempt to cover up what really happened there. For those who still think it was protesters who overreacted to a YouTube video, it will be a real wake-up call.

 

[Tony Stark]

It is pathetic that you Republicans even pretend that you care about Benghazi for reasons that do not include attacking Obama and Hillary. Nobody believes you.

 

[Reheat]

It is pathetic that you Republicans even pretend that you care about Benghazi for reasons that do not include attacking Obama and Hillary. Nobody believes you.

Who is nobody?

You know I was watching the news while the attack was ongoing and I watched the videos of the attack the next day. I knew immediately it was a terrorist attack. Protesters don't have heavy weapons and mortars as if that's not known by anyone who can tie their shoe laces without help.

So, excuse me. This issue was made a political football by those who lied to the families of those killed and those who lied to the American people. Are there any non-Republicans who have the integrity to believe that their senior leaders should be held accountable and should tell the truth? There probably are some, but they are noticeably absent from this Forum.

 

[NoahFence]

"13 Hours" -- a movie made from the first hand accounts of the Benghazi survivors -- is at your local Redbox now. All Dems should invest $1.50 to rent the movie and see why so many of us were absolutely shocked at the Obama Administration's attempt to cover up what really happened there. For those who still think it was protesters who overreacted to a YouTube video, it will be a real wake-up call.

Seriously??

 

[plague311]

Who is nobody?

You know I was watching the news while the attack was ongoing and I watched the videos of the attack the next day. I knew immediately it was a terrorist attack. Protesters don't have heavy weapons and mortars as if that's not known by anyone who can tie their shoe laces without help.

So, excuse me. This issue was made a political football by those who lied to the families of those killed and those who lied to the American people. Are there any non-Republicans who have the integrity to believe that their senior leaders should be held accountable and should tell the truth? There probably are some, but they are noticeably absent from this Forum.

That's what all of this butthurt is about? What the attack was started about?

 

[TheL8Elvis]

"13 Hours" -- a movie made from the first hand accounts of the Benghazi survivors -- is at your local Redbox now. All Dems should invest $1.50 to rent the movie and see why so many of us were absolutely shocked at the Obama Administration's attempt to cover up what really happened there. For those who still think it was protesters who overreacted to a YouTube video, it will be a real wake-up call.

http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/13-hours-the-secret-soldiers-of-benghazi-2016

Simply put, “13 Hours” is a pretty dreadful movie and while watching it, I sat there trying to figure out what kind of audience might actually go for it. Those of the liberal persuasion will write it off because it presents elements that have been highly disputed or flat-out denied (such as the stand-down orders) as unquestioned fact. Conservatives may be upset that it doesn’t go far enough in tying Hillary Clinton to the events depicted—unless I missed it, she is never once mentioned specifically. As an action movie and as a historical document, it is a bombastic and wholly inauthentic mess that displays precious little interest in the men whose actions and sacrifices it purports to honor. There is a good and interesting movie out there to be made about the tragic events at Benghazi and the political aftermath but “13 Hours” is definitely not it.

Yeah, rush out to see it today

 

[Reheat]

This precisely illustrates my point in the post three above. Apparently, no scumbag Demoncrap give a dam about integrity and the rule of law. I haven't seen anyone of that persuasion ever condemn the lying, deceit, and cover up that have been illustrated by the Benghazi attack defense. All we see is mockery, even tho' no investigation to include the current on has had access to any of the survivors of the attack.

Perhaps the fact that the referenced video is merely a trailer is what prompted the laughing debunking dog. I've used that dog myself a few time when debunking troofers. It is an outrage to invoke it in this case when it's plainly obvious that senior officials in the Obama administration plainly lied. The evidence is incontrovertible no matter how many want to invoke sarcasm and ridicule... Shame on those who do it...

 

[plague311]

This precisely illustrates my point in the post three above. Apparently, no scumbag Demoncrap give a dam about integrity and the rule of law. I haven't seen anyone of that persuasion ever condemn the lying, deceit, and cover up that have been illustrated by the Benghazi attack defense. All we see is mockery, even tho' no investigation to include the current on has had access to any of the survivors of the attack.

Perhaps the fact that the referenced video is merely a trailer is what prompted the laughing debunking dog. I've used that dog myself a few time when debunking troofers. It is an outrage to invoke it in this case when it's plainly obvious that senior officials in the Obama administration plainly lied. The evidence is incontrovertible no matter how many want to invoke sarcasm and ridicule... Shame on those who do it...

Which is exactly what is said to troofers on a daily basis. What you said right here has been typed out to 9/11 truth for over a decade. If you're going to call me things like "demoncrap", imply I have no integrity, and the like, why would I give a **** about your opinion? You've done nothing but insult me to begin the conversation. A very effective strategy.

As evidenced by Elvis, you've used the equivalent of "Loose Change" to try and make your point. A movie filled with lies and ******** that you're masquerading as some form of documentary into the "lies" of Benghazi. Congratulations, you're the new 9/11 truth.

 

[NoahFence]

This precisely illustrates my point in the post three above. Apparently, no scumbag Demoncrap give a dam about integrity and the rule of law. I haven't seen anyone of that persuasion ever condemn the lying, deceit, and cover up that have been illustrated by the Benghazi attack defense. All we see is mockery, even tho' no investigation to include the current on has had access to any of the survivors of the attack.

I'll condemn it if it makes you sleep well at night. The actual attack itself was the product of **** happens in ****ty places. Everyone under that roof knew the dangers.

What I condemn is the CYA afterwards. The baloney about the video.

Perhaps the fact that the referenced video is merely a trailer is what prompted the laughing debunking dog. I've used that dog myself a few time when debunking troofers. It is an outrage to invoke it in this case when it's plainly obvious that senior officials in the Obama administration plainly lied. The evidence is incontrovertible no matter how many want to invoke sarcasm and ridicule... Shame on those who do it...

My laughing dog was in response to using a movie to prove a point about Benghazi. It's absurd.

Then we get into the hyper-partisan Hillary crap, which is equally absurd. All the way down to her "murdering" those 4 Americans. That's a load of crap. Keep beating that dead horse though, it's not going to work. She's going to be President, and as it seems, she'll be a flawed President. Just like every one that came before.

Unless or until the people who are trying to convince themselves that Hillary is the devil incarnate for what happened in Libya equally lambaste each and every republican president for similar losses on their watch, this is proven to be nothing but a witch hunt against Hillary.

 

[Reheat]

That's what all of this butthurt is about? What the attack was started about?

Then how 'bout you explain why Stevens was in Benghazi and why the CIA was there. Why was his increased security requests denied and who denied them? All of the other Nations facilities had been abandoned, even the Red Cross.

It was the anniversary of 9/11. Why in the hell was there not increased security either there or within response distance? Did Obama ask any allies for help?

Why did everyone in the Administration lie about it?

These are not rhetorical questions. You don't know the answers do you?

 

[plague311]

Then how 'bout you explain why Stevens was in Benghazi and why the CIA was there. Why was his increased security requests denied and who denied them? All of the other Nations facilities had been abandoned, even the Red Cross.

It was the anniversary of 9/11. Why in the hell was there not increased security either there or within response distance? Did Obama ask any allies for help?

Why did everyone in the Administration lie about it?

These are not rhetorical questions. You don't know the answers do you?

And the working theory you're going off of is what? Hillary wanted them dead? She denied them extra security so that they would die? She killed him or ignored their requests because....what? Why? What allies should he have asked? Were there any close? Did they lie or did they just give a reason while investigating the incident? Maybe Stevens asked to stay despite knowing the risk?

 

[Reheat]

Which is exactly what is said to troofers on a daily basis. What you said right here has been typed out to 9/11 truth for over a decade. If you're going to call me things like "demoncrap", imply I have no integrity, and the like, why would I give a **** about your opinion? You've done nothing but insult me to begin the conversation. A very effective strategy.

As evidenced by Elvis, you've used the equivalent of "Loose Change" to try and make your point. A movie filled with lies and ******** that you're masquerading as some form of documentary into the "lies" of Benghazi. Congratulations, you're the new 9/11 truth.

What a bunch of *********! I didn't accuse you of a lack of integrity, but if the shoe fits wear it... I could care less about anyone's opinion of my opinion.

I have simply reference facts that have been testified to, but not admitted to. I didn't recommend the video, so don't accuse me of something I didn't do. I have not seen the full video, yet, so don't accuse of something you've imagined. I will watch it in a day or two, so if you will be so kind tell me what lies are in it...

I do know what lies have been told by senior administration officials and don't need a video to tell me that.

Yea, if it makes you feel better accuse me of the new 9/11 truth. That's a good strategy if it makes you feel better. But, it doesn't diminish the lies told by your obvious heroes. multiple times over...

 

[pgwenthold]

Who is nobody?

The Benghazi investigation committee has been going on for years. Yet, they haven't been able to conclude squat.

So that "nobody" includes the right-wingers on a Hillary witchhunt. They can't even come up with anything.

 

[Reheat]

I'll condemn it if it makes you sleep well at night. The actual attack itself was the product of **** happens in ****ty places. Everyone under that roof knew the dangers.

What I condemn is the CYA afterwards. The baloney about the video.

Yea, **** happens as I well know. However, **** sometimes happens when it not convenient because of the policies in place by the chief executive...

I watch the same **** happens in SEA in 1968, when LBJ initiated one of the many bombing halts. He did not prohibit reconnaissance flight even tho' there was no bombing. A reconnaissance aircraft was shot down, but we couldn't go pickup the surviving crew members because of ...... reasons.

We waited and waited to go pick them up, but the approval didn't come because he was sleeping and no one wanted to wake him... We finally went anyway, but it was too late. They had already been captured. Too bad for them, huh?

The same applies to Benghazi. If you send Americans into places of great danger, there needs to be a plan to help them if they get in trouble...

In Libya, the narrative was "Osama Bin Ladin has been killed, Al Caeda is on the run". In addition, we want to keep a small footprint in Libya.

Hillary's communication with the Egyptian President and the Libyan President and her family was remarkably different from what she told the families of the victims and the narrative given to the American people.

That, in addition to the Rhodes Memo is compelling if not conclusive evidence that there was incredible deceit at the highest levels of our Government. You may be willing to accept that due to partisan politics, I'm not.

 

[The Big Dog]

The Benghazi investigation committee has been going on for years. Yet, they haven't been able to conclude squat.

So that "nobody" includes the right-wingers on a Hillary witchhunt. They can't even come up with anything.

You mean the ones that have been constantly lied to by Hillary, by the State Department and the rest of the Obama administration?

If you are not going to acknowledge that the Administration and their waterboy democrat party allies on the committee constantly stonewalled the investigation, I don't know how we can help you. It is cool tho, Hillary seems totally trustworthy.

 

[Reheat]

The Benghazi investigation committee has been going on for years. Yet, they haven't been able to conclude squat.

So that "nobody" includes the right-wingers on a Hillary witchhunt. They can't even come up with anything.

Partisan politics again... You're dead wrong. Right-wingers did not cause Hillary or Obama or Susan Rice to lie. They did it to themselves...

Why has there been an investigation for years? The primary reasons is that EVERYONE in the current administration has withheld document and obstructed for those years you calculate. How in the hell can a investigation be conducted if those being investigated withhold documents and obstruct for YEARS?

Even the current Special Committee has not had access to survivors of the attack. Why?

If you don't believe, watch some of the youtube videos taken from C-Span on the Demoncraps behavior on the committee. The behavior is obstructionist at every turn...

 

[Reheat]

And the working theory you're going off of is what? Hillary wanted them dead? She denied them extra security so that they would die? She killed him or ignored their requests because....what? Why? What allies should he have asked? Were there any close? Did they lie or did they just give a reason while investigating the incident? Maybe Stevens asked to stay despite knowing the risk?

Now, you're in toofer land too. You're admitting to what you attributed to me.

I have not said nor implied that Hildabeast wanted them dead, nor did I imply that. That is simply made up crap.

I'll answer your questions once you answer mine. Your choice. You answer my questions first and then I'll attempt to answer yours with what I know.

 

[NoahFence]

Partisan politics again... You're dead wrong. Right-wingers did not cause Hillary or Obama or Susan Rice to lie. They did it to themselves...

Why has there been an investigation for years? The primary reasons is that EVERYONE in the current administration has withheld document and obstructed for those years you calculate. How in the hell can a investigation be conducted if those being investigated withhold documents and obstruct for YEARS?

Even the current Special Committee has not had access to survivors of the attack. Why?

If you don't believe, watch some of the youtube videos taken from C-Span on the Demoncraps behavior on the committee. The behavior is obstructionist at every turn...

Little in this world makes me laugh more than someone complaining that Democrats are obstructionist. Especially these last 8 years. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!!

 

[TheL8Elvis]

The Benghazi investigation committee has been going on for years. Yet, they haven't been able to conclude squat.
So that "nobody" includes the right-wingers on a Hillary witchhunt. They can't even come up with anything.

Partisan politics again... You're dead wrong.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-report-released-before-conventions/84706796/

Gowdy said the report will also include interview transcripts and exhibits, and leave it to readers to reach their own conclusions.

“I don’t want you to take my word for it,” he said. “I want you to read it for yourself and you control whatever conclusions you want to draw.”


pgwenthold is "dead right"

Right-wingers did not cause Hillary or Obama or Susan Rice to lie. They did it to themselves...

Why has there been an investigation for years? The primary reasons is that EVERYONE in the current administration has withheld document and obstructed for those years you calculate. How in the hell can a investigation be conducted if those being investigated withhold documents and obstruct for YEARS?

Even the current Special Committee has not had access to survivors of the attack. Why?

Because you are wrong, that's why.

https://benghazi.house.gov/news/press-releases/select-committee-releases-interim-progress-update

“The Committee continues to move forward in its investigation – interviewing survivors of the terrorist attacks and others who are giving indispensable firsthand accounts of what happened before, during and after the attacks. This undertaking has resulted in hundreds of hours of preparation, nearly 100 hours of actual interview time and 2,500 pages of testimony. In the coming months, an additional 60 witnesses, representing current and former officials and employees from the State Department, the White House and the Intelligence Community will be interviewed.” (p.8)

If you don't believe, watch some of the youtube videos taken from C-Span on the Demoncraps behavior on the committee. The behavior is obstructionist at every turn...

Please stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[The Big Dog]

“I want to thank General Ham for appearing today and acknowledging the seriousness of our investigation and the issues at stake. I wish Ranking Member Cummings and the other Democrats on this committee would do the same. Today we gained a lot of new information, because our questions were based on new documents the witness had not seen, and new witness testimony only gathered by this committee. The question isn't why this committee talked to him after others in Congress did. The real question is why, after previous investigations, there was still so much left to ask about.”

From the start, Democrats on the Benghazi Committee have claimed there was no reason for the committee to do any work. “[A]s Democrats, we always believed that there was no point in putting together this committee because the questions had been asked, the questions had been answered … and there had been a thorough analysis,” said Rep. Adam Smith. This is why the Minority has done nothing but constantly attack, undermine, and obstruct the work of the committee’s Majority.

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