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[Fonebone]

Axxman300 >

Who the hell quotes Hermann Göring?

Fonebone

Okay, question: Which is more likely, the Nazis started the Reichstag Fire, or that they used the fire to justify their actions which followed?

Since you're big on Nazis, how would Otto Skorzeny faked 9-11?

Very telling that out of all the folks you decide to quote you went with a Nazi.

Fonebone < https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hermann_Goring


[excerpt]
Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people
can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy.
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce
the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.
It works the same way in any country.



Axxman300 > thinly veiled character assassination with Nuttin & Honey

 

[Axxman300]

Axxman300 >
Fonebone

Fonebone < https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hermann_Goring


[excerpt]
Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people
can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy.
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce
the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.
It works the same way in any country.


Axxman300 > thinly veiled character assassination with Nuttin & Honey

...And?

Where is your proof 9-11 was an inside job?

And people who quote Nazis assassinate themselves.

 

[beachnut]

the forum is not displaying my posts correctly

It is a conspiracy...

 

[bknight]

It is a conspiracy...

I wished I would have thought of that.

 

[Gravy]

Sigh.

 

[Oystein]

Sigh.

Aww come on, you needed 17,073 posts yourself to get to that point!

 

[Gravy]

Hey, lookit you with 17,001!

 

[The Common Potato]

It is a conspiracy...

That's what they want you to think.

I find that random formatting helps.

 

[The Common Potato]

Aww come on, you needed 17,073 posts yourself to get to that point!

Fake news. It's way more than 17,073.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jql9qphj9lx9hwi/Screenshot 2021-03-07 043723.jpg?dl=0

 

[The Common Potato]

Oystein, on the other other hand. Well, I'd vote for Oystein - probably several times. Oystein tells the troothf.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/utozltmygncivp9/Screenshot 2021-03-07 044649.jpg?dl=0

 

[MicahJava]

Sigh.

Off topic but you are my only hope. Do you know the identity of the "engineer" who told the fire chiefs by noon that WTC 7 was doomed to collapse "in about five or six hours"?

 

[ozeco41]

Oystein, on the other other hand. Well, I'd vote for Oystein - probably several times. Oystein tells the troothf.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/utozltmygncivp9/Screenshot 2021-03-07 044649.jpg?dl=0

My memory is suffering from anno domini effects - too big a gap between "[19]41" and "[20]21"

BUT who was the resident "troll of the day" who thought it was funny to coin the pun "beedunker"....

AND four if my memory is correct DEbunkers promptly appreciated the joke and adopted BEEdunker avatars. Oystein, DGM and I think two others....

and for bonus points WHEN was it???

 

[Oystein]

...
BUT who was the resident "troll of the day" who thought it was funny to coin the pun "beedunker"....

Ergo, right?

AND four if my memory is correct DEbunkers promptly appreciated the joke and adopted BEEdunker avatars. Oystein, DGM and I think two others....

and for bonus points WHEN was it???

2012, 2013ish I'd say.
Tried the Search function?

ETA:
Ooofffff!!! Goes back to November 2010! (I don't know though when we began to change our avatars, that could well have been more than a year later)

 

[The Common Potato]

Before my time. I started reading IntSkep (I prefer JREF ) between Christmas and New Year 2015/16. I did seek out and locate the 4' 3" rebar thread a while ago, though.

 

[Gravy]

Off topic but you are my only hope. Do you know the identity of the "engineer" who told the fire chiefs by noon that WTC 7 was doomed to collapse "in about five or six hours"?

Sorry, I'm not aware of that claim.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Sorry, I'm not aware of that claim.

This post may be informative. MicahJava is arguing that Peter Hayden's recollection after the fact must be precisely correct, an argument that contradicts most of what's understood about the process of memory and recollection; that the first photographic evidence for fires in WTC7 was the first evidence of any kind for fires in WTC7, visual inspection being apparently not a thing; and that therefore there were no large fires and possibly no fires at all at any time before this photographic evidence was obtained. The absence of any correlation for Hayden's recollection is then taken as evidence that there is a cover-up rather than simply that Hayden has conflated or misremembered one or more events of the day, and feels that this is a suitable Gotcha! with which to taunt anyone with a sane view of events.

Nothing's really changed since you were here last but the level of enthusiasm.

Dave

 

[bknight]

This post may be informative. MicahJava is arguing that Peter Hayden's recollection after the fact must be precisely correct, an argument that contradicts most of what's understood about the process of memory and recollection; that the first photographic evidence for fires in WTC7 was the first evidence of any kind for fires in WTC7, visual inspection being apparently not a thing; and that therefore there were no large fires and possibly no fires at all at any time before this photographic evidence was obtained. The absence of any correlation for Hayden's recollection is then taken as evidence that there is a cover-up rather than simply that Hayden has conflated or misremembered one or more events of the day, and feels that this is a suitable Gotcha! with which to taunt anyone with a sane view of events.

Nothing's really changed since you were here last but the level of enthusiasm.

Dave

Good memory or search pattern for you. But alas as you indicate MJ is barking up a tree that does not exist in the real world. He fantasizes too much in his CT attempts.

 

[Gravy]

This post may be informative. MicahJava is arguing that Peter Hayden's recollection after the fact must be precisely correct, an argument that contradicts most of what's understood about the process of memory and recollection; that the first photographic evidence for fires in WTC7 was the first evidence of any kind for fires in WTC7, visual inspection being apparently not a thing; and that therefore there were no large fires and possibly no fires at all at any time before this photographic evidence was obtained. The absence of any correlation for Hayden's recollection is then taken as evidence that there is a cover-up rather than simply that Hayden has conflated or misremembered one or more events of the day, and feels that this is a suitable Gotcha! with which to taunt anyone with a sane view of events.

Nothing's really changed since you were here last but the level of enthusiasm.

Dave

Good to see you, Dave!

 

[Dave Rogers]

Good to see you, Dave!

You too, hope you're safe and well.

Dave

 

[Redwood]

Originally Posted by MicahJava
Off topic but you are my only hope. Do you know the identity of the "engineer" who told the fire chiefs by noon that WTC 7 was doomed to collapse "in about five or six hours"?

Sorry, I'm not aware of that claim.

You may be thinking of FDNY Fire Captain and OEM Deputy Director Richard Rotanz: (http://162.243.41.32/entity.jsp?entity=richard_rotanz)

(12:30 p.m.) September 11, 2001: Emergency Management Deputy Director Rotanz Sees Significant Damage inside World Trade Center Building 7Edit event

Richard Rotanz, the deputy director of New York’s Office of Emergency Management, assesses the state of World Trade Center Building 7 and sees significant damage inside the building. [BBC, 7/6/2008; BBC, 10/17/2008] WTC 7 was damaged by the debris when the North Tower of the WTC collapsed at 10:28 a.m. (see 10:28 a.m. September 11, 2001). [NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF STANDARDS AND TECHNOLOGY, 11/2008, PP. 16] At around 12:30 p.m., according to the BBC, Rotanz and some other officials—whose identities are unstated—go into WTC 7 to see what condition the building is in. “At the time the building wasn’t safe, but we had to make an assessment just the same,” Rotanz will later tell the BBC. He will describe what he observes inside WTC 7, saying: “You could hear the building creak above us. You could hear things fall. You could hear the fire burning. You could see columns just hanging from the floors, gaping holes in the floors up above us.” He also sees “an elevator car that was blown out of its shaft” and is now “down the hall.” [BBC, 7/6/2008; BBC, 10/17/2008] The elevator car is “30 or 40 feet away from where the elevator shaft once was,” according to another account. [AEGIS INSURANCE SERVICES, INC. V. 7 WORLD TRADE CENTER COMPANY, LP, 12/4/2013 pdf file] Rotanz and those with him soon leave the building. “We didn’t spend that long” inside WTC 7, Rotanz will say. Rotanz has also observed significant damage to the exterior of WTC 7 (see (After 10:28 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [BBC, 10/17/2008] At around 2:30 p.m., senior firefighters will make the decision to abandon the possibility of fighting the fires in WTC 7 (see (2:00 p.m.-2:30 p.m.) September 11, 2001).

What a person might possibly hope to accomplish by rehashing memories of an almost 20 year old event is beyond me.