Some people just aren't meant to fit into regular society. He will likely spend his years unhappy, paranoid, and angry with the world, and those who run it.
TAM
-
Security incident: ISF was recently accessed by intruders. Please change your password, and change it anywhere else you used it. Read more
New CIT video with Lloyde England
- Thread starter Alzke
- Start date
-
- Tags
- cit craig ranke lloyd england
Some people just aren't meant to fit into regular society. He will likely spend his years unhappy, paranoid, and angry with the world, and those who run it.
TAM
BCR
Master Poster
- Joined
- Dec 6, 2008
- Messages
- 2,278
This one is easy. He WAS on the bridge (multiple photos and witnesses to that effect). This means he is confused now by Ranke's continued badgering of him, or he simply has forgotten. Since he is very much wrong at this point, I would also take any other recalls he has with "a grain of salt". I hope this resolves the issue for you.
nicepants
Graduate Poster
- Joined
- Jan 8, 2007
- Messages
- 1,723
Meh...it's kinda hard to feel sorry for someone who acts the way he and aldo do. I think at this point they know that no one cares about their BS and they're doing all they can do to draw attention (but only internet message board attention...not the attention of any authorities, etc).
I look forward to the day when Craig & Aldo look back on their past and think what the rest of us are thinking about them now.
TJM
Potsing Whiled Runk
If you look at some of the expressions on Lloyde's face and really listen to some of things he's saying, I get the impression that Mr. England is simply screwing with Ranke's head.
Call it a hunch.
Call it a hunch.
fitzgibbon
Master Poster
I didn't think they made screwdrivers that small. /derail
/derail
Exactly. It also appears to me that Lloyde is onto Ranke's thoughts and is just playing mind game with him. He knows it is not worthwhile to confront someone like Ranke and is simply screwing with his mind. There is nothing at all wrong with Lloyde's thoughts. He's just playing with Ranke and is marvelously successful with it. After all, it doesn't take genius to see through Ranke's thoughts. Lloyde is simply playing Ranke like a violin. He is smarter than Ranke, which is not difficult at all....
Lloyde may be old, but he is not a confused old man. He knows what he's doing, Ranke has swallowed it "hook, line, and sinker".
TJM
Potsing Whiled Runk
The only thing that could make it any sweeter is if Ranke actually paid Mr. England for his time.
Brainster
Penultimate Amazing
- Joined
- May 26, 2006
- Messages
- 22,351
Don't forget, when England was in the taxi on 9-11 what was on the seat beside him?
A David Icke book.
I kid you not.
Cl1mh4224rd
Philosopher
- Joined
- Dec 27, 2006
- Messages
- 9,778
There... are... four... lights!
Foolmewunz
Grammar Resistance Leader, TLA Dictator
These sociopaths have gone from dimwitted but amusing on down the food scale to disgusting manipulators.
Not one of their four or five greasy fan boys (Craig, Aldo, Preston, Mirage Memories and the useful idiots like JFK and Lin) finds it curious that Lloyd's testimony is getting fuller and more detailed with the passing years - playing right into the kind of conspiracy crap they want to hear?
Now his wife is a sooper sekret agent at the FBI? To hear Craig tell it, she must be doing black bag stuff. Funny how this hasn't come up in all these years before now.
I think there's a slight possibility that Lloyd's doing 1001 Arabian Nights and just stringing them along so long as he gets attention, but I doubt that he's intentionally playing with them - more unconscious than conscious.
Not one of their four or five greasy fan boys (Craig, Aldo, Preston, Mirage Memories and the useful idiots like JFK and Lin) finds it curious that Lloyd's testimony is getting fuller and more detailed with the passing years - playing right into the kind of conspiracy crap they want to hear?
Now his wife is a sooper sekret agent at the FBI? To hear Craig tell it, she must be doing black bag stuff. Funny how this hasn't come up in all these years before now.
I think there's a slight possibility that Lloyd's doing 1001 Arabian Nights and just stringing them along so long as he gets attention, but I doubt that he's intentionally playing with them - more unconscious than conscious.
I didn't think of it that way, but it would be ****ing hillarious if it were true.
So the boys get this explosive evidence from him, go to the local tv station, they do a follow up interview, and Lloyd tells them he was fooling with the boys.
I think I would laugh for a week.
TAM
So the boys get this explosive evidence from him, go to the local tv station, they do a follow up interview, and Lloyd tells them he was fooling with the boys.
I think I would laugh for a week.
TAM
I didn't think they made screwdrivers that small.
Gamolon
Master Poster
- Joined
- Dec 6, 2006
- Messages
- 2,702
I look at :46 of the video. My guess is the interpretation of the phrase "on the bridge". In my opinion, Lloyd is not "on the bridge", but right before it.
I thought about this and if I were stopped in traffic in his locaiton and someone asked me to describe where I was, I would say "right before the bridge that passes over blah blah".
Am I wrong here?
boloboffin
Unregistered
- Joined
- Aug 10, 2006
- Messages
- 4,986
We got this over at DU today:
Brainster is right. England buys into the Icke crapola, it seems.
It seems to me that England could get them for defamation and harassment. He couldn't recover much cash in the way of judgment, but I bet a prison term wouldn't be too far off the mark. Would England ever file charges, though?
Brainster is right. England buys into the Icke crapola, it seems.
It seems to me that England could get them for defamation and harassment. He couldn't recover much cash in the way of judgment, but I bet a prison term wouldn't be too far off the mark. Would England ever file charges, though?
Incidently, a lot of new users are jumping on that post. I wonder if the treefort has branched into DU permanently? I know that both Craig, Aldo and Dom have posted there in the past, but they seem to have disappeared again.
I wonder if DU runs a tigh check on possible sockpuppets.
Also, I see they're already lining up Bolo's mock trial in the above mentioned thread
ETA: Looks like the thread got pulled.
Last edited:
jaydeehess
Penultimate Amazing
As I started reading this thread I wondered when someone would pick up on this.
Yes, Lloyd was on the bridge, the pictures illuistrate that. Perhaps not senile or tricked by Ranke, but still wrong.
1337m4n
Alphanumeric Anonymous Stick Man
- Joined
- May 10, 2007
- Messages
- 3,510
Lloyde England and Father Stephen McGraw were CIT's FIRST NORTHSIDE WITNESSES
The question NOBODY THOUGHT TO ASK, is ...
WHEN was Lloyde on the bridge?
The first clear photo of Lloyde there, standing behind the brown Jeep rather than near his own cab, is Jason Ingersoll's DSC_0419.
This was taken at 9:55 am.
That is 18 minutes after the impact.
WHEN was the cab on the bridge?
AGAIN, we have Jason Ingersoll's first image of it there, DSC_0412.
This was taken at 9:48 am.
That is 11 minutes after the impact.
The next question is ...
WHERE WAS LLOYDE at 9:37:46 am?
LLOYDE himself answered that, many times.
WHEN IT HAPPENED, he was not on the bridge.
He was driving south on Route 27, north of the heliport, north of the Columbia Pike exit sign, when a pole came crashing through his windshield, scattering glass everywhere.
When his cab skidded to a halt, it was beside the concrete wall below the cemetery.
This location is 350 yards north of the bridge where the famous photos were later taken.
How long does it take to drive 350 yards?
Depending on one's speed, just 20 - 30 seconds.
Although Craig Ranke was happy to accept other eye witnesses' own testimony as to their location at this time, he scoffed at the adamant claims of this career cab driver, as though he was not familiar with his home town, and was too senile to recall his location at this pivotal moment in history.
Marquis' and Ranke's refusal to accept Lloyde's testimony meant that they also rejected the corroborating testimony of other eye witnesses who claimed to have seen or been close to Lloyde's cab.
Therefore, rather than connecting the dots between, say, England's and Father Stephen McGraw's testimonies, which places both of them between the heliport and the cemetery wall at impact, CIT insisted they were both located on top of the bridge beneath the official flight path, and branded both these valuable witnesses as complicit liars in a mass murder plot.
The fact is that while Father Stephen McGraw crossed the road from his car onto the Pentagon lawn at the triage site where he waited for the first victims to be brought out, Lloyde's cab was hastily relocated from the cemetery wall to the bridge site where the scene was carefully staged for the photo series necessary to sell the Official AA77 Flightpath.
Navy Times journalist Mark Faram ran from the Navy Annex after the impact, and arrived at the Pentagon lawn about 15 - 20 minutes later. He shot a series of famous photos at the triage area, including father McGraw praying with victims.
CIT claimed that McGraw had been "bussed in" specifically for this purpose, and that he was nowhere near this site initially, although he had stated that he was already on the lawn within about one minute from witnessing the impact.
However, CIT has now been proven in error.
A single screen capture from an amateur video shot on the northern Pentagon lawn from 9:39 am, shows McGraw waiting there just as he testified, 3 minutes 25 seconds post impact.
McGraw testifies that he merely crossed the lanes of traffic from his stationary car, and waited there beside the lawn.
CIT insisted he would have had to walk the 350 yards from the bridge to get there.
CIT was wrong.
Both England and McGraw were North-of-Citgo witnesses, and their testimonies actually supported CIT's work.
But Aldo and Craig stubbornly rejected their valuable evidence, which hamstrung their own investigation, and destroyed their reputations.
The question NOBODY THOUGHT TO ASK, is ...
WHEN was Lloyde on the bridge?
The first clear photo of Lloyde there, standing behind the brown Jeep rather than near his own cab, is Jason Ingersoll's DSC_0419.
This was taken at 9:55 am.
That is 18 minutes after the impact.
WHEN was the cab on the bridge?
AGAIN, we have Jason Ingersoll's first image of it there, DSC_0412.
This was taken at 9:48 am.
That is 11 minutes after the impact.
The next question is ...
WHERE WAS LLOYDE at 9:37:46 am?
LLOYDE himself answered that, many times.
WHEN IT HAPPENED, he was not on the bridge.
He was driving south on Route 27, north of the heliport, north of the Columbia Pike exit sign, when a pole came crashing through his windshield, scattering glass everywhere.
When his cab skidded to a halt, it was beside the concrete wall below the cemetery.
This location is 350 yards north of the bridge where the famous photos were later taken.
How long does it take to drive 350 yards?
Depending on one's speed, just 20 - 30 seconds.
Although Craig Ranke was happy to accept other eye witnesses' own testimony as to their location at this time, he scoffed at the adamant claims of this career cab driver, as though he was not familiar with his home town, and was too senile to recall his location at this pivotal moment in history.
Marquis' and Ranke's refusal to accept Lloyde's testimony meant that they also rejected the corroborating testimony of other eye witnesses who claimed to have seen or been close to Lloyde's cab.
Therefore, rather than connecting the dots between, say, England's and Father Stephen McGraw's testimonies, which places both of them between the heliport and the cemetery wall at impact, CIT insisted they were both located on top of the bridge beneath the official flight path, and branded both these valuable witnesses as complicit liars in a mass murder plot.
The fact is that while Father Stephen McGraw crossed the road from his car onto the Pentagon lawn at the triage site where he waited for the first victims to be brought out, Lloyde's cab was hastily relocated from the cemetery wall to the bridge site where the scene was carefully staged for the photo series necessary to sell the Official AA77 Flightpath.
Navy Times journalist Mark Faram ran from the Navy Annex after the impact, and arrived at the Pentagon lawn about 15 - 20 minutes later. He shot a series of famous photos at the triage area, including father McGraw praying with victims.
CIT claimed that McGraw had been "bussed in" specifically for this purpose, and that he was nowhere near this site initially, although he had stated that he was already on the lawn within about one minute from witnessing the impact.
However, CIT has now been proven in error.
A single screen capture from an amateur video shot on the northern Pentagon lawn from 9:39 am, shows McGraw waiting there just as he testified, 3 minutes 25 seconds post impact.
McGraw testifies that he merely crossed the lanes of traffic from his stationary car, and waited there beside the lawn.
CIT insisted he would have had to walk the 350 yards from the bridge to get there.
CIT was wrong.
Both England and McGraw were North-of-Citgo witnesses, and their testimonies actually supported CIT's work.
But Aldo and Craig stubbornly rejected their valuable evidence, which hamstrung their own investigation, and destroyed their reputations.
Yes, CIT lied about 9/11 and ignored reality based evidence.
The FDR from Flight 77 is evidence for the real flight path. Proves CIT lied about NoC. Big failure.
Are you trying to beat CIT at making up lies and nonsense.
Why do you make up lies about 9/11 based on failed logic and failed research?
The problem with CIT and other conspiracy minded liars on 9/11 is the failure to study how to work with eyewitnesses related to flying. It appears you do not have any aircraft accident investigation skills and prefer to make up conclusions based on fantasy.