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New book on Scientology: Going Clear

Another thing that SquealPiggy seems to be alluding to is the notion that L. Ron Hubbard's "technology" is perfect and works flawlessly every time, so whenever something bad happens to a Scientologist -- whether it's poor results in his church auditing, or something outside the church like losing a job or getting injured in a car accident -- then it must be that person's own fault somehow.

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Well, LRH's "tech" was perfect until Emperor MisCavage decided to "re-edit" them so he could sell MUST HAVE New Improved Editions to the Minions at inflated prices.
Not once, but in the 90s and again DM is trying it again. they are losing members so they have to resell the old books etc in new editions to those unfortunates left. Get ready for THE GOLDEN AGE OF TECH 2:jaw-dropp

http://tonyortega.org/2012/11/16/scientologys-big-gamble-golden-age-of-tech-2-is-here/


A little background may help the uninitiated understand why we say this is a huge gamble by Miscavige, and one whose timing is particularly risky.

In 1996, a decade after the death of L. Ron Hubbard, David Miscavige revealed his first “Golden Age of Tech,” which made significant changes to the way auditors were trained. These were supposed to be improvements, but for Scientologists who believe that L. Ron Hubbard’s ideas and processes cannot be improved on, it was highly controversial.

Jason Beghe has explained in interviews that his disillusionment — and that of many others — began with the Golden Age of Tech, when he was asked to redo expensive levels of training. As others have told us, they remember thinking, “if the church discovered errors in training, why do we have to pay for the fix?”

Since then, resentment about the way Miscavige has altered Hubbard’s original books and teachings has been building. In 2007, Miscavige republished “The Basics” — Hubbard’s essential books of Scientology teachings — saying that many errors of transcriptions had been found in them. Scientologists were put under intense pressure to buy multiple sets of the new books, which, with new editions of Hubbard’s lectures, were sold for $3,000 a set.

Even loyal church members couldn’t help thinking it was more cash grab than anything else.

There’s just no doubt that Miscavige is facing an exodus of longtime, loyal members in recent years, many of them fed up with the way he has made changes to Hubbard’s original “technology.”

And now, he’s doubling down.



Has Fred got his latest versions yet , or has he been using imperfect sources from LRH for the last 30 plus years? No wonder those pesky Thetans won't go away.
 
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And just in case you get too happy you can find Battlefield Earth on youtube! :D

Arrgh! That movie was an abomination!

Hubbard may not have been the best writer in the world, but his book was far better than the movie. Many of the major events in the book are exactly the opposite than in the movie. For example, in the movie Fort Knox was full of Gold, but in the book it was empty because the Psychlos had ransacked earth's gold reserves after the conquered it. In the movie, the Psychlos keep human slaves, in the book the Psychlos thought that the idea of using humans for slaves was absurd and laughed at the security chief for attempting it.

The movie's only saving grace is that it ends about half-way through the book.

(I could rant at great length about all the reasons why I thought the movie sucked, but I don't think anyone wants to hear it, so I'll keep them to myself.)
 
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Arrgh! That movie was an abomination!

Hubbard may not have been the best writer in the world, but his book was far better than the movie. Many of the major events in the book are exactly the opposite than in the movie. For example, in the movie Fort Knox was full of Gold, but in the book it was empty because the Psychlos had ransacked earth's gold reserves after the conquered it. In the movie, the Psychlos keep human slaves, in the book the Psychlos thought that the idea of using humans for slaves was absurd and laughed at the security chief for attempting it.

The movie's only saving grace is that it ends about half-way through the book.

(I could rant at great length about all the reasons why I thought the movie sucked, but I don't think anyone wants to hear it, so I'll keep them to myself.)

The acting, effects and editing perfectly complement the writing of that movie. Make of that what you will.
 
The acting, effects and editing perfectly complement the writing of that movie. Make of that what you will.

Which is quite surprising, given how much the people behind it must have loved the source material. Maybe they loved it too much and were unable to see the flaws. The "tech" does seem to render people incapable of abstract thought when it comes to anything involving LRH and the church.
 
Battlefield Earth drinking game

1. Take a drink whenever:

There is dramatic slow motion
John Travolta's accent inexplicably changes into something completely different
The screen fade used would embarrass George Lucas

2. Die of liver failure by the end of the second act.
 
Aw, c'mon Fred, have we beaten you back or are you just resting before your next attempt to flog us the 'perfect wisdom' (a.k.a. the scam bs) of LRH?

Just that you seem to have failed to respond to my questions in 117, and the points made by Tony Ortega that I passed on in 119.

Perhaps you are waiting for instructions from Miscavige before you answer?

Your 'church' (a.k.a. tax and bastardisation of the U.S. Constitution scheme) is coming apart at the seams. Have you wondered why that might be if LRH was so great?

If you are at all conflicted then there is plenty of support out here for people who escape. Those that do and help to put another nail in the coffin of scifiology are welcomed as heroes, not sent to R.P.F. Think about it. I know it can be difficult to admit you have been conned, but the air of freedom is very refreshing!
 
Arrgh! That movie was an abomination!

Hubbard may not have been the best writer in the world, but his book was far better than the movie. Many of the major events in the book are exactly the opposite than in the movie. For example, in the movie Fort Knox was full of Gold, but in the book it was empty because the Psychlos had ransacked earth's gold reserves after the conquered it. In the movie, the Psychlos keep human slaves, in the book the Psychlos thought that the idea of using humans for slaves was absurd and laughed at the security chief for attempting it.

The movie's only saving grace is that it ends about half-way through the book.

(I could rant at great length about all the reasons why I thought the movie sucked, but I don't think anyone wants to hear it, so I'll keep them to myself.)

The movie was a true abomination, and I have no desire to find out if the book is any bit better.

Enjoy this: http://www.rifftrax.com/rifftrax/battlefield-earth
 
The movie was a true abomination, and I have no desire to find out if the book is any bit better.


If you've seen the movie it's still okay to read the book, because the movie doesn't give out any spoilers. (In fact, I quite like the book.)

Reading the book first causes problems, because in several places the book explicitly points out that some of the things we see in the movie are logically impossible. (Such as human machinery still being functional after centuries of disuse and neglect.) This means that when you see those things happen in the movie, you can't help but realize how idiotic those scenes are no matter how hard you try not to think about it.

I swear, if they'd given it a different title and maybe named the aliens something else, I wouldn't have realized it had anything to do with the book. I don't know how they ended up making it an action movie, it's certainly not an action novel.

(I think this little derail is getting a bit out of hand.)
 
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I think the clip of Cruise illustrates how 'clearly' insane the man is.

Yesterday, in my local free newspaper, they had an interesting article about Hubbards great grandson, Jamie DeWolf. DeWolf is a major player in getting the word out about how corrupt Scientology is. And, a quick Google of his name shows how adamant he is in spreading the word.
 
If you've seen the movie it's still okay to read the book, because the movie doesn't give out any spoilers. (In fact, I quite like the book.)

Reading the book first causes problems, because in several places the book explicitly points out that some of the things we see in the movie are logically impossible. (Such as human machinery still being functional after centuries of disuse and neglect.) This means that when you see those things happen in the movie, you can't help but realize how idiotic those scenes are no matter how hard you try not to think about it.

I swear, if they'd given it a different title and maybe named the aliens something else, I wouldn't have realized it had anything to do with the book. I don't know how they ended up making it an action movie, it's certainly not an action novel.

(I think this little derail is getting a bit out of hand.)


Yeah - When it became clear that the plot (in the movie) was going to have humans flying 1,000 year old carrier jets I wasn't happy to say the least.

Truth be told I think the only way to put that book on the big screen would be to do it in a series like Falling Skies.
 
Yeah - When it became clear that the plot (in the movie) was going to have humans flying 1,000 year old carrier jets I wasn't happy to say the least.

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Yeah how implausible is that? Almost as unlikely as as the Galactic Overlord Xenu having DC-8 aircraft (without the fins of course) , but we are after all, only talking about 75 million years ago.
 
Yeah - When it became clear that the plot (in the movie) was going to have humans flying 1,000 year old carrier jets I wasn't happy to say the least.

Truth be told I think the only way to put that book on the big screen would be to do it in a series like Falling Skies.

Forget the stupid movie!

Who cares whether you were or were not happy about the carrier jets. Tell us if you are happy with disconnection, declaration of suppressive persons, deaths at narconon, the R.P.F., the fact that scifiology is a money making and tax dodging scam, the misinformation you spread about LRH, the fact that LRH was a serial liar, and the slave labour of children and people in the sea org, just to scratch the surface.
 
Forget the stupid movie!

Who cares whether you were or were not happy about the carrier jets. Tell us if you are happy with disconnection, declaration of suppressive persons, deaths at narconon, the R.P.F., the fact that scifiology is a money making and tax dodging scam, the misinformation you spread about LRH, the fact that LRH was a serial liar, and the slave labour of children and people in the sea org, just to scratch the surface.

^This.

Fredcarr?
 
^This.

Fredcarr?


Since fredcarr probably won't answer that one, allow me: I don't have any direct knowledge about that alleged stuff, so I can't comment. Every Scientologist I ever met is the greatest friend mankind ever had. Now go read The Way to Happiness. After all, words speak louder than actions that I haven't personally witnessed.
 
Since fredcarr probably won't answer that one, allow me: I don't have any direct knowledge about that alleged stuff, so I can't comment. Every Scientologist I ever met is the greatest friend mankind ever had. Now go read The Way to Happiness. After all, words speak louder than actions that I haven't personally witnessed.

Also, Scientology been very very good to me.
 
Since fredcarr probably won't answer that one, allow me: I don't have any direct knowledge about that alleged stuff, so I can't comment. Every Scientologist I ever met is the greatest friend mankind ever had. Now go read The Way to Happiness. After all, words speak louder than actions that I haven't personally witnessed.

And let me direct you to a CoS site that says what Uncle Ron once said on a completely unconnected subject.

/inserts meaningless quote from LRH/.

by the way, war is bad, ain't it? I'm sure we can agree on that.adds smiley:)
 
Finished Going Clear.
Lawrence Wright demolishes L Ron Hubbard and the C.O.S to the point there is not much left when he is through.
To me the biggest eye opener was the massively abusive practices of the CO$ started as early as the 1960's and were insitgated by Hubbard,and that Hubbard eventually bought into the crap his was pushing. I always thought that Hubbard was just a Con Man Milking the Suckers for every penny he could get,and the really scary abusive stuff started when Hubbard became a recluse and Misciviage took over. but I have changed my mind.
Among Hubbard's fun way of disciplining COS members: Tying the Hands and Feet of a 60 year old women, blind folding her, and throwing her overboard from a ship. If someone had not jumped in after her she would have drowned.
I cannot recommend this book enough.
 
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