New book about Pentagon on 9/11 "FIREFIGHT"

[Mangoose]

I read part of it last weekend when I was in Borders. It's written quite well for the layperson, and covers a lot of detail. One thing I learned is that the blast-proof windows, while enhancing resistance to the plane and reducing glass shrapnel to those inside, played a detrimental role in containing much of the blast inside the building, preventing venting of the energy and making it more devastating for those inside the building. I don't recall anyone making that point before -- usually the windows are only mentioned in terms of saving lives.

 

[Alt+F4]

Oh, and to the 9/11 Pentagon conspiracy theorists: I dare you to contact the Arlington County Fire Department, the Fort Myers Fire Department, the Ronald Reagan National Airport Fire Department, and all the others involved in the Pentagon rescue effort (many of whom lost friends and coworkers in the attack) that what they saw and witnessed was a lie.

That's a dare they will never take. The book has dozens of names yet those "researchers" from the CIT won't even bother to contact one of them.

 

[njslim]

That's a dare they will never take. The book has dozens of names yet those "researchers" from the CIT won't even bother to contact one of them.

Actually over at ABOVE TOP SECRET - Craig Ranke (aka head loon) said had contacted
Sean Boger (who was in Helipad control tower) as part of his "investigation" - Wonder
how incorporated this into "plane flew over Pentagon - missile hit building"

 

[Allen773]

I just got my copy yesterday. I am only 4 chapters in, but anyone who could read this book and still insist no plane hit the Pentagon should have their head examined.

Youtube or it didn't happen.


^The philosophy of Troofers.

 

[Bobert]

The Lunacy at the LCF has begun with a rather disgusting posit by SPreston (shocking I know).
I would imagine that he has never read the book.
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/352069/1/#new

Really? I've never sat in an aircraft seat which looks like that. Of course there were bodies recovered from the Pentagon. Those were the bodies of the targeted personnel working in the $2.3 Trillion Pentagon missing funds area and the targeted personnel from the Defense Intelligence Agency and the Office of Naval Intelligence and the Navy Department. (here and here)

There just were no bodies from an aircraft crash which never happened.

SPreston should be the poster boy for why drugs are bad.

 

[LashL]

I'm now halfway through this book, I highly recommend it.

Thanks for the recommendation. I have just ordered both Firefight and Touching History, and expect them to arrive in 2-3 days. I am looking forward to reading them.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Hey folks. I don't feel like bumping a much older thread, so I'll post this here, since it is about this book. Anyway, remember Terral's posts about firefighters not looking like they were fighting the fire, the implication being that they either weren't training hoses on the flames, or they did not appear to be running to do their duty? That was his sure sign that something was fishy?

Well, in Firefight, I just came across this paragraph:

After pulling on their protective gear and air packs, (the crew of Arlington Truck 105) hurried toward the nearest entrance, about 100 feet away. (Derek) Spector, the acting commander, reminded them not to run. Walking would give the crew a few crucial seconds to focus on what was in front of them. And running would only make them winded and raise their adrenaline levels. They needed to be steady.

That also reminds me of one of the doctors I know (older sister of someone I grew up with) who criticized all those hospital and police dramas saying that rescue workers are not supposed to run, because it just winds them up (thus making them appear agitated and possibly agitating the patient/victim) and tires them out, none of which helps the victim any. At any rate, it's quite a few posts and months outside the fact, but I think that right there is a pretty good rebuttal of Terral's assertions. They're supposed to be deliberate and consider their actions, and without that context, someone uninformed might presume they're just standing around, or not taking any actions, especially when interpreting still pictures not showing the context of a given firefighter's actions.

Not like the bulk of his stuff wasn't already bunk, but hey... I thought this worth pointing out.

 

[LashL]

My copies of Firefight and Touching History arrived on Thursday, but I didn't have time to start reading until today.

I'm only 100 pages in to Firefight so far, but wanted to thank those of you who recommended it above, as it promises to be a very compelling read.

 

[TsuDhoNimh]

This sounds like an excellent book. One of my cousins (career Navy) was in the D ring, just outside the worst affected area of that ring. The shock wave blew everything off his desk, but the fireball missed him. He spent the next several hours evacuating people. He has no doubts it was a plane.

Another cousin was working in the offices of Cantor Fitzgerald.

 

[Magenta]

A bump for this old thread.

I've just finished reading this excellent book and would recommend it to anyone who's not read it yet. It's well written and, as far as I can tell, well-researched.

I'd never really comprehended the size of the Pentagon before - the internal courtyard covers five acres.

If I ever meet anyone IRL who denies that AA77 hit the Pentagon I'd like to hit them with this book (it is quite hefty!)

 

[bje]

You (or Pat?) made an excellent point on SLC that bears repeating here. These authors spent five years researching what happened at the Pentagon and interviewed 150 persons directly involved with the event. The "no planers" have demanded a new, independent, non-governmental investigation and now that there is one they reject it for the same old reason - it didn't come to their pre-conceived conclusion that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

It's the same reason CIT refused my request to them for the last 2 1/2 years to interview any of the over 1,000 people who saw, handled, removed, or sorted through the wreckage from inside the Pentagon in the days and weeks after 911, and who could tell CIT the nature and identity of that wreckage.

TLB & Co. know damn well what those people know and would say.

 

[Baylor]

You (or Pat?) made an excellent point on SLC that bears repeating here. These authors spent five years researching what happened at the Pentagon and interviewed 150 persons directly involved with the event. The "no planers" have demanded a new, independent, non-governmental investigation and now that there is one they reject it for the same old reason - it didn't come to their pre-conceived conclusion that AA77 hit the Pentagon.

Same with The Looming Tower. Lawerence Wright went half way around the world to interview Bin Laden associates and other operatives. So much for them accepting an independent investigation.