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New Article about iSkep and AeTruth and 9/11

Idiots with a web page - ae911t minister of information nut speaks out

Nor would the instance of a single steel-framed high-rise collapsing from fire make the slightest dent in the overwhelming scientific evidence that the Twin Towers and World Trade Center 7 were destroyed by controlled demolition. - ae911t stripped nut
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Where is the "overwhelming scientific evidence" Ted Walter? Where is ae911t liars hiding it? Ted Walter, evidence shows you are clueless? Ted Walter, ae911t opinion based on paranoid conspiracy theory are not evidence; those opinions are evidence for overwhelming ignorance.

Ted Walter, your work will be archived, your lies and paranoia will be saved, your legacy. Ted Walter, The Goebbels of ae911t. Ted Walter, Director of Strategy and Development at Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, the Mini Ministry of Truth (paranoid lies and such), with his Bachelor of Fine Art, Theater, he is more than qualified, add the Master of Public Policy, and we have someone who seems to be unarmed to fight off the delusional claims of ae911t. Poor Ted Walter, fooled by liars, fooled by Gage who see Demolition, he sees it everywhere. Gage is "Dispelling misinformation with scientific facts and forensic evidence", Richard Gage lost his facts and evidence. Ted Walter has no clue Richard Gage thinks facts and evidence are misinformation.

Ted Walter has no clue what evidence is. Is he paid, and does he know he is spreading lies. Ted Walter has no clue what happens in building fires. Ted, take courses in science, you got the theater thing down.
 
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Cosmic Yak said:
So apart from the buildings that have completely collapsed due to fire, no building has ever completely collapsed due to fire, and therefore inside job?
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And before 17 December 1903 man had never achieved heavier than air powered flight.

So what?

Never before in history is not an argument.
 
I like how Ted admits that the opposition to his might movement, which apparently stops them from winning the debate, is Weinberg, ISF and Metabunk - and that's it.

I think all of us are ready to admit that we are a small, a tiny fringe of anonymouses (anonymice?) with merely a weird hobby. But we are sooo important to Ted!

Planet earth to ted: You are the original weird fringe! No one gives a damn about your crap! No professional organization, no academic body, no large engineering, architecture or construction company is interested in your shtick. It's only us bored individuals at ISF and Metabunk! Your enemy is a retired game developer!
 
Oystein said:
I like how Ted admits that the opposition to his might movement, which apparently stops them from winning the debate, is Weinberg, ISF and Metabunk - and that's it.

I think all of us are ready to admit that we are a small, a tiny fringe of anonymouses (anonymice?) with merely a weird hobby. But we are sooo important to Ted!

Planet earth to ted: You are the original weird fringe! No one gives a damn about your crap! No professional organization, no academic body, no large engineering, architecture or construction company is interested in your shtick. It's only us bored individuals at ISF and Metabunk! Your enemy is a retired game developer!
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So there perhaps two dozen anonymous internet users posting on forums who are wholly responsible for preventing the truth from getting out?

Amazing.
 
DaveThomasNMSR said:
Here's the "Official" response:

[qimg]http://www.nmsr.org/ae911-plasco.jpg[/qimg]

A snippet:



There's more artful twisting like the above, for the curious.
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Isn't it cute how Tony got caught lying again and won't address the fact no planer morons are now fully entrenched at the joke of an organization known as AE 9/11 Truth.
 
LSSBB said:
Awesome! I hope we get a bonus from the NWO, I've got a slow leak in the wheels of my 15 year old Lexus, might need new rims.
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Never going to happen, mate. Not only did I not get a bonus, all my claims for expenses were turned down as well
Why do you think I defected? I want to get $100K p/a to play with cardboard boxes. :D
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Never going to happen, mate. Not only did I not get a bonus, all my claims for expenses were turned down as well
Why do you think I defected? I want to get $100K p/a to play with cardboard boxes. :D
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Bonus? You mean you guys are getting paid :jaw-dropp
 
What's wrong with you guys. On the form 437 - stroke - R2, incubator, substitute code name pizza oven. Remember S-1798s is for expenses, just write in where it says "machine gun".
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It's simple, if you've not been paid it's your own fault.

:boxedin:
 
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Cosmic Yak said:
Never going to happen, mate. Not only did I not get a bonus, all my claims for expenses were turned down as well
Why do you think I defected? I want to get $100K p/a to play with cardboard boxes. :D
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Bonuses are only lock step during Democratic administrations. During Republican administrations, they are performance based. Under this administration, however, performance is defined differently than in the past most per Executive Directive 100542-001IJMTU. For example, during the Cheney administration we received a great deal extra (25% increase in the base hourly rate and a 35% increase in the OT hourly rate) for time spent shutting down those who spread the truth about 9-11, and the top 10,000 agents as measured by number total 9-11 discussions effectively shut down time received year end bonuses commensurate with their seniority. Now the hourly rate bonus applies to hours during which you manage to note in your discussion shutdowns that Pres. Trump has one or more of the beneficial characteristics identified on the rubric of voter pleasing traits you were provided during orientation. Further, the annual bonus will not be issued to anyone who has (i) defended the competency of the FBI at any time after 11-2-16, (ii) shutdown discussions of pizzagate or related known operations, or (iii) failed to shut down at least three discussions of Russian election meddling per six hours worked.

If you came on during the Obama administration or are just behind the ball on the new directive, you may want to take some time with your HR rep to walk through what these incentive plans mean for you.

EDIT: also note that Pres. Trump is a trustworthy custodian of our economy and man of strong moral principals and scruples who simply tells it straight. (I'd like to remodel my kitchen this year.)
 
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Ted Walter is an ideologue who is clueless when it comes to science. He has bought into the conspiracy nonsense and repackages their nonsense. He would be crushed in a "debate" with someone who has an engineering background. What he does for AE is the same as David Griffin, a theologian who authored a book on the collapse of Building 7.

I give these people credit for balls to try to sound like grown ups in fields they are clueless about. Their success comes only from the fact that they are leading people who WANT to be lead and are as clueless as they are.

Tony should know better. He is an engineer and attempted to come up with explanations to support the notion of CD. All of his attempts attempts have been shown incorrect. Rather than admit them, he goes silent or worse, continues the fantasy that his work is correct.

The antisemitism is far worse than the dumb which abounds in the truth "movement". Aligning with bigots and racists is a tell.

While it may be hard to comprehend how what seems like intelligent people falling for dumb, all one has to do is look at cults like Scientology. AE is a very similar phenomena. Scientologists are not convinced by real science, logic and critical thinking and so it's almost impossible to "convince" truthers that they've drunk the kool aid and are now incapable of critical thinking. To them it all makes perfect sense and those who don't agree are in denial. The hard core are beyond help.

So it's a struggle for the support of those who have not looked deeply at some of these events. Most will by default accept the official descriptions of what happen. Those descriptions may not be 100% complete for any number of reasons... but they are rooted in science and engineering however complex. So when understanding requires more sophistication and technical knowledge than the average person has... AE et al are relying on MARKETING for the sell. Make it sound convincing, claim you have technical experts who have decades of experience and have studied these events in detail and have no ax to grind... unlike the PTB or the deep state with its vile motives.

The debates online are basically a waste of time... though intellectually interesting. I, for one, as an architect has learned enormous amount from the few websites where these matters have been discussed for more than a decade. Much of the science and engineering has come into focus and informed my thinking. I don't see that happening for the skeptics, and science deniers, conspiracy theorists and truthers. They can't get past the notion that anything "official" is a lie to conceal some vile truth. Yes authorities do make mistakes, engage in spin and CYA but to the extent that conpiracists believe is a bridge too far.

Gage is a scammer and he's made a career of it. No different than Jim Jones. It's not criminal to scam people so he gets away with it. He's a pathetic and disturbed human being.. just like Jim Jones. Truthers are no different in their flawed beliefs than the Branch Davidians.

So many idiots and so little time.
 
Mark F said:
So there perhaps two dozen anonymous internet users posting on forums who are wholly responsible for preventing the truth from getting out?

Amazing.
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I always liked how, when we pointed out that simply posting to message boards on the internet was unlikely to cause any change in the policies of the New World Order, or whoever, the truthers would counter that we were just posting to message boards as well.

Of course, they never addressed the huge difference between us: They thought they were fighting an ancient world-wide conspiracy with overwhelming influence over national governments, multinational corporations, the banking industry, and the news media, while we thought we were fighting a bunch of racists and morons. So just maybe possibly we should be using different tactics? :D
 
JSanderO said:
Ted Walter is an ideologue who is clueless when it comes to science. He has bought into the conspiracy nonsense and repackages their nonsense. He would be crushed in a "debate" with someone who has an engineering background. What he does for AE is the same as David Griffin, a theologian who authored a book on the collapse of Building 7.

I give these people credit for balls to try to sound like grown ups in fields they are clueless about. Their success comes only from the fact that they are leading people who WANT to be lead and are as clueless as they are.

Tony should know better. He is an engineer and attempted to come up with explanations to support the notion of CD. All of his attempts attempts have been shown incorrect. Rather than admit them, he goes silent or worse, continues the fantasy that his work is correct.

The antisemitism is far worse than the dumb which abounds in the truth "movement". Aligning with bigots and racists is a tell.

While it may be hard to comprehend how what seems like intelligent people falling for dumb, all one has to do is look at cults like Scientology. AE is a very similar phenomena. Scientologists are not convinced by real science, logic and critical thinking and so it's almost impossible to "convince" truthers that they've drunk the kool aid and are now incapable of critical thinking. To them it all makes perfect sense and those who don't agree are in denial. The hard core are beyond help.

So it's a struggle for the support of those who have not looked deeply at some of these events. Most will by default accept the official descriptions of what happen. Those descriptions may not be 100% complete for any number of reasons... but they are rooted in science and engineering however complex. So when understanding requires more sophistication and technical knowledge than the average person has... AE et al are relying on MARKETING for the sell. Make it sound convincing, claim you have technical experts who have decades of experience and have studied these events in detail and have no ax to grind... unlike the PTB or the deep state with its vile motives.

The debates online are basically a waste of time... though intellectually interesting. I, for one, as an architect has learned enormous amount from the few websites where these matters have been discussed for more than a decade. Much of the science and engineering has come into focus and informed my thinking. I don't see that happening for the skeptics, and science deniers, conspiracy theorists and truthers. They can't get past the notion that anything "official" is a lie to conceal some vile truth. Yes authorities do make mistakes, engage in spin and CYA but to the extent that conpiracists believe is a bridge too far.

Gage is a scammer and he's made a career of it. No different than Jim Jones. It's not criminal to scam people so he gets away with it. He's a pathetic and disturbed human being.. just like Jim Jones. Truthers are no different in their flawed beliefs than the Branch Davidians.

So many idiots and so little time.
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What evidence is there that Gage is a charlatan?
 
MicahJava said:
What evidence is there that Gage is a charlatan?
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In my conversations with him he reveals his personal agenda... has done no research and shows little to no understanding of the physics of the collapse. He is a collector and marketer of confirmation biased opinions some of which masquerades as research.

He pays himself almost 6 figures to be a leader of a movement of uninformed anti government fanatics, science deniers, people with no engineering backgrounds, racists and antisemites.

He is functionally no different from Jim Jones. And those who follow him have lost their ability to think critically.
 
AJM8125 said:
He makes a tax free living from lying to the mentally ill and fools.
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This is not true. He has to pay income tax. AE is a non-profit but anyone that works for them has to pay income tax like everyone else. Gage does get a lot of "perks" but, he does pay taxes.
 
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