Never a dull moment with Putin

timhau said:
And funny how that all came crashing down when their sugar daddy country collapsed.
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This is true, but what do you expect from a country with poor resources and above all being embargoed by the US?

The point is, and a very important one: despite it being a poor country and had to rely on subsidies from the Soviet Union, they were able to manage the country both economically and socially (as I have mentioned in my previous post) well enough to put many countries (even first world countries) to shame (including the US in terms of equality and non-discriminatory policies).

If anything, the limited resources and money were put to good use for the benefit of the people. I don't think such effort is something to be made fun of, especially when they were not being treated fairly to begin with, thanks to the United States' irrational fear of the "spread of communism", even though the Cuban Revolution wasn't even ideologically driven.

The improvements under Castro was a stark contrast to the Batista regime in the 1950s (oh yes, the illegitimate dictator helped installed by the US government), where less than 10% of the rural households had electricity and many more of them illiterate and malnourished.
 
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trustbutverify said:
Agreed. But when you said "not so much" as Castro I thought you meant you didn't admire him as much as Castro, but still had some admiration for him.

Ahmadinejad seems to be a rock star to the code pink crowd. Galloway worships him. You said something like he was only interested in the sovereignty and well being of his people. But you don't admire him?

You say you admire Castro. You admire a man who attempted to convince the USSR to launch a full nuclear attack upon the US, thereby incinerating Cuba, slaughtering it's entire population in an agonizing hell. He claimed it was a sacrifice the Cuban people would be proud to make. Without, of course, asking them first.

This is an individual you admire?
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Be better if you took your creepy OT stalking of BD somewhere else. OK?
 
trustbutverify said:
Ahmadinejad seems to be a rock star to the code pink crowd.
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Really? Interesting. I can only speak from personal experience, but I know a whole bunch of "pinkos", and frequently spend time around them (the best pubs in the nearest town are in the pinko area), hell my parents met in the Communist Youth, I've never heard anyone say anything positive of Ahmadinejad, especially considering the strength of atheism and opposition to theocracy that is present in the left here. Typically they're all about veganism, and things like that.
 
TubbaBlubba said:
Really? Interesting. I can only speak from personal experience, but I know a whole bunch of "pinkos", and frequently spend time around them (the best pubs in the nearest town are in the pinko area), hell my parents met in the Communist Youth, I've never heard anyone say anything positive of Ahmadinejad, especially considering the strength of atheism and opposition to theocracy that is present in the left here. Typically they're all about veganism, and things like that.
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My mother was, and is, a proud pinko and she despises "His Excellency" as well.
I'm a progressive and my experience with some other prog's is similar to yours.

However- I'm referring here to the rather large and growing set of so called leftists typified by George Galloway and groups like the "anti-war" Code Pink. From my perspective, a vile and repulsive group of opportunists, who are deeply attracted to truthers, Ron Paul, and just about any anti-US sadist who happens to tell them what they want to hear.

And I must tell you- they adore Ahmadinejad. A few years ago I attended a meeting in NYC right around the time of one of the great man's UN speeches. The meeting was organized, IIRC, by a collection of prog, anti-war groups. Ahmadinejad attended, and spoke. The love expressed for him by the attendees could be accurately described as orgasmic.

Lastly, when I made reference to Code Pink in my original post, I was not talking about "pinko's" in general, just this one specific group by that name, and others of that narrow ilk.
 
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trustbutverify said:
My mother was, and is, a proud pinko and she despises "His Excellency" as well.
I'm a progressive and my experience with some other prog's is similar to yours.

However- I'm referring here to the rather large and growing set of so called leftists typified by George Galloway and groups like the "anti-war" Code Pink. From my perspective, a vile and repulsive group of opportunists, who are deeply attracted to truthers, Ron Paul, and just about any anti-US sadist who happens to tell them what they want to hear.

And I must tell you- they adore Ahmadinejad. A few years ago I attended a meeting in NYC right around the time of one of the great man's UN speeches. The meeting was organized, IIRC, by a collection of prog, anti-war groups. Ahmadinejad attended, and spoke. The love expressed for him by the attendees could be accurately described as orgasmic.

Lastly, when I made reference to Code Pink in my original post, I was not talking about "pinko's" in general, just this one specific group by that name, and others of that narrow ilk.
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Ah, I see. That's absurd, I'll do some reading on them. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
Our boy Putin's becoming president again. Nothing like another lifelong Russian commissar, policing his population :D.

I know that Russia has been baiting Belarus into a Union state between the two nations. But Belarus almost exclusively refuses to join the union because they are afraid they will be absorbed yet again into the matrix of Russia. Ukraine has expressed interest but the more pro-west members of the nation desire to join EU and not and East Slav Union with Russia.

I'm sure one of Putin's goals in his next 12 years in office will be to make an Eastern Slavic Union and have greater trading relationships with Eastern Europe. We'll see how this plays out with most eastern Europeans choosing to look west.
 
commandlinegamer said:
Say what you like about him, at least he does stuff:
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Putin acts like a sociopath. He does stuff to look charismatic. This, in turn, attracts needy people to him. Putin is not caring for Russia and its people, just promote himself, acquire power and getting rich. That's it.
 
Alex333 said:
Putin acts like a sociopath. He does stuff to look charismatic. This, in turn, attracts needy people to him. Putin is not caring for Russia and its people, just promote himself, acquire power and getting rich. That's it.
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Isn't that what every strong Russian leader has done since Ivan the Great? Power, riches, and glory simply come with Russian leadership. I fail to see how Putin is any different.
 
I see the only difference between Ivan the Great and Putin times is availability of psychology/sociology/other human sciences. I guess Russians still ignorant to science. May be with time something change. Actually relic from Soviet times is only advance in physics, math, etc. All human sciences were prohibited.
 
Alex333 said:
Putin acts like a sociopath. He does stuff to look charismatic. This, in turn, attracts needy people to him. Putin is not caring for Russia and its people, just promote himself, acquire power and getting rich. That's it.
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Well, it was only a semi-serious OP. One could never accuse Brezhnev of being exciting for example.
 
Alex333 said:
I see the only difference between Ivan the Great and Putin times is availability of psychology/sociology/other human sciences. I guess Russians still ignorant to science. May be with time something change. Actually relic from Soviet times is only advance in physics, math, etc. All human sciences were prohibited.
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This statement shows your lack of understanding of just how important Russians are to the modern development of science. Ironically without the Soviet Union half of the cute gadgets we enjoy from the 20th century wouldn't even exist.

Your statement doesn't even begin to analyze Russia in a fair and objective way. For what it’s worth, Russia's problem lies more in the concentration of wealth at the top and the poor redistribution of that wealth. This has been at the center of Russia's problem for several centuries now. And the lower classes have revolted but unfortunately only brought in more of the same.

On a side note, I’m going to be keeping track of Putin and his progress on making an East Slav union. It’ll be interesting to see it all unfold. Our guy Putin is gunning to be the president of something for the rest of his life. I bet 100$ that once his terms are up in Russia that he'll push even harder for the Union State to become a reality.


Union State
 
L.Y.S. said:
This statement shows your lack of understanding of just how important Russians are to the modern development of science. ...
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Could you give some examples how Soviets influence modern science?

L.Y.S. said:
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Ironically without the Soviet Union half of the cute gadgets we enjoy from the 20th century wouldn't even exist.
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Do you have any example of the cute gadgets?
 
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