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Netanyahu wins reelection (maybe)

Eddie Dane said:
The settlements are totally retarded proposition.

They sabotage any peace process, are horrible PR and the only upside is a bit of cheap housing, so far removed from Israel's economic centres, that only recent immigrants want t live there.

They don't even really achieve any of the cynical objectives like expansion or ethnic cleansing.
Usually they are blocks of flats within existing settlements.

I'm not approving. Just pointing out that they are a horrible cost-benefit deal on top of being just plain wrong.

Their main function seems to be: pandering to the ultra right wing and pissing off the Palestinians.

Bibi got only 23% of the vote.

I'm always amazed how the political right manages to build a big strong party, and the left just fragments and splinters. See Forza Italia in Italy.

The right manages to unify and the left are so particular about their political flavour that they just fragment.

I have a book about the Spanish civil war and the list of leftist groups fighting the Fascists is just mind-boggling: Anarchists, Anarcho-Syndicalists, Syndycalised-Anarchists, and a whole bunch I can't remember.
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They fought the Fascist when they were not fighting each other;read George Orwell's "Homage to Catelonia" for details.

Of course by 1938 Democracy was dead in Spain no matter who won;The Communist Party...totally under the control of Uncle Joe Stalin's stooges were pretty much calling the shots for the Republicans.and Franco was totally in control of the Nationalists.Hobson's choice if ever there was one.
 
Craig B said:
So you think that "non-terrorism" is going to be achieved by boosting illegal settlements, or by this?

Netenyahu evidently intends to expel the entire Palestinian population. I don't suppose that puts in jeopardy anything you give a toss about, as long as Israel is strong enough to pull it off.
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I don't like Bibi, but saying he wants to expel the entire Palestinian population is nuts. We can find enough about Bibi to criticise him for without going into La La Land.
 
Craig B said:
If ZU voters had falsely stated they were voting Likud, that would have exaggerated Likud's performance in the polls, not understated it. Likud did better than even the exit polls suggested, which may indicate that some Likud voters concealed their real allegiance.
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They may have revealed their real allegiance to an explicitly religious right-wing party while having actually voted tactically for Likud.

Or the late voting thing, whatever. No doubt experts and pundits will be picking this apart in great detail to no particular end. :cool:
 
dudalb said:
I don't like Bibi, but saying he wants to expel the entire Palestinian population is nuts. We can find enough about Bibi to criticise him for without going into La La Land.
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I've no doubt he would if he could but this isn't 1948.

With the two-state farce finally off the table, and a one-state solution including the Palestinians as citizens never being on it, we seem to be left with the status quo forever. An incomplete Israel, in the eyes of the settlers. Settlers whose votes Likud really needs.
 
CapelDodger said:
I've no doubt he would if he could but this isn't 1948.

With the two-state farce finally off the table, and a one-state solution including the Palestinians as citizens never being on it, we seem to be left with the status quo forever. An incomplete Israel, in the eyes of the settlers. Settlers whose votes Likud really needs.
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An ongoing status quo is the fault of the Palestinian failure to not be a terrorist failed society.
 
CapelDodger said:
I've no doubt he would if he could but this isn't 1948.

With the two-state farce finally off the table, and a one-state solution including the Palestinians as citizens never being on it, we seem to be left with the status quo forever. An incomplete Israel, in the eyes of the settlers. Settlers whose votes Likud really needs.
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Exactly so. How then make Israel complete in the eyes of the settlers? Give them all the land. I see no other way.
 
Craig B said:
If ZU voters had falsely stated they were voting Likud, that would have exaggerated Likud's performance in the polls, not understated it. Likud did better than even the exit polls suggested, which may indicate that some Likud voters concealed their real allegiance.
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Either that or many ZU voters pulled the Likud lever but didn't want to admit it.
 
dudalb said:
The rise of the Right worldwide is beginning to scare me.
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I concur. One can look around the globe -India, Japan, the direction of Russia, France, the USA - and see a disturbing trend to authoritarian politics. It might be interesting to start a thread to observe (or disprove) the idea.
 
Statistically, Israelis have been steadily moving to the right over the last 5 decades since their country's heady start as a semi-socialist nation state. That being the case, it's not surprising Bibi won. I think that this is a gradual result of setting up one's secular state along exclusive religious lines, along with the constant military situation.
 
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