Neil Gaiman "cancelled"?

ponderingturtle said:
It's pointless, he has you on ignore
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Which makes that head in the sand picture ironic.

Anyway, I suspected as much, and I guess he will just have to continue looking like a buffoon by repeating claims unaware that I have shown them to be false.

I predict that at some point he will do a hard pivot to believing Pavlovic after all and will start declaring that anybody who doesn’t is a “vile scumbag” and that in his “considerable experience” this is typical of misogynists, etc…
 
angrysoba said:
Well, smartcooky in the What'sApp messages that you claim to have read, Neil Gaiman writes that Palmer has said she was raped and that she was "telling lots of people".

In other words, it is not only Pavlovic who “claims” she told Palmer. Gaiman “claims” she told Palmer too!

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In the podcast, Scarlett clearly says she messaged her friend about it, and apparently such messages were preserved, and she also talked to Palmer, and at least two other people. Finally she went to the police. There may indeed be a good reason why she didn’t talk to more people and that is because she signed a non-disclosure agreement in exchange for finally being paid.
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Quoting this for smartcooky.
 
angrysoba said:
Also, in the exchange she says it started out “questionably”. It seems pretty clear from this that she had at least told Palmer and her friend about this.

Furthermore, her friend Misma had a boyfriend who was a student at the University of Auckland. When the professor heard about the relationship between Pavlovic and Gaiman it was then that Pavlovic took seriously the possibility that she had been abused, particularly given that Gaiman had never paid her.
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And again.

I told smartcooky about Pavlovich telling Misma and Paulette (the lecturer). He ignored that first. How many more times will he ignore it?
 
smartcooky said:
We only have her word for that. Neither of them are mentioned in the lawsuit filing...
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We also have Paulette’s word for it and Misma. We also have Gaiman’s own words that he heard from Palmer that she had been saying he raped her.

This is like a game that kids play for smartcooky where he has made up rules in an ad hoc manner and where he is awarding himself points on no coherent basis and calling foul whenever he likes for reasons he is making up as he goes.
 
theprestige said:
Seems like standing up for men who have been falsely accused of rape by gold digging women should be worth everyone's time.
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Correct.

False accusations of rape and sexual assault always have consequences beyond the mere fact of the false accusation, and many of those consequences are severe, life-long and in many cases, beyond remedy.

The victim of a false accusation is immediately deemed guilty before ANY evidence is presented in court... all of you are doing EXACTLY that with Gaiman right here in this thread,... you have already decided he is guilty, purely on the uncorroborated word of one person.

I find that unacceptable, and I WILL NOT back away from my stated position.

Watch this video if you want to see an example of the serious consequences of just ONE false accusation... if you are prepared to challenge your own preconceived narrative of "she accused him so he must be guilty".

I reckon most of you lack both the courage or any empathy for the falsely accused to do that.

 
smartcooky said:
Correct.

False accusations of rape and sexual assault always have consequences beyond the mere fact of the false accusation, and many of those consequences are severe, life-long and in many cases, beyond remedy.

The victim of a false accusation is immediately deemed guilty before ANY evidence is presented in court... all of you are doing EXACTLY that with Gaiman right here in this thread,... you have already decided he is guilty,
purely on the uncorroborated word of one person.
I find that unacceptable, and I WILL NOT back away from my stated position.

Watch this video if you want to see an example of the serious consequences of just ONE false accusation... if you are prepared to challenge your own preconceived narrative of "she accused him so he must be guilty".

I reckon most of you lack both the courage or any empathy for the falsely accused to do that.

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How many false things are there in just this one sentence fragment?
 
theprestige said:
Seems like standing up for men who have been falsely accused of rape by gold digging women should be worth everyone's time.
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Heh. And the whole "gold digging" thing is ridiculous considering Pavlovich came out about it on the podcast first, and the podcast thought the matter was unprosecutable due to overseas jurisdiction matters, so she didn't stand to gain financially.
 
arthwollipot said:
Then what is the purpose of pointing it out, if not to cast doubt on her testimony?
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This is not a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ zero sum game... its not a dichotomy... when you cast doubt on what someone says, it does not mean you think they are lying. The could genuinely believe they are tell the truth in their own mind, but still be factually wrong.

Her messages DO NOT COMPORT with what she is claiming. Y'all are hand-waving this away as if words mean nothing.
 
smartcooky said:
This is not a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ zero sum game... its not a dichotomy... when you cast doubt on what someone says, it does not mean you think they are lying. The could genuinely believe they are tell the truth in their own mind, but still be factually wrong.
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It doesn't matter. When you cast doubt on someone's testimony, you are undermining their agency.
smartcooky said:
False accusations of rape and sexual assault always have consequences beyond the mere fact of the false accusation, and many of those consequences are severe, life-long and in many cases, beyond remedy.
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The problem is with starting from the position that it is always a false accusation, when actually these are vastly in the minority. Rape occurs far more often than false accusations.

Someone claims that they have been raped and your first response is "Oh yeah? Prove it."

That's completely ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Heh. And the whole "gold digging" thing is ridiculous considering Pavlovich came out about it on the podcast first, and the podcast thought the matter was unprosecutable due to overseas jurisdiction matters, so she didn't stand to gain financially.
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Yes, she already went to the police and they decided there was not enough evidence to prosecute.

Yet smartcooky says that it is wrong to accuse anyone without them having been through the courts first. This means that any woman who is raped but does not have enough evidence to convict in a court of law cannot be believed.

Now, wait a minute.... I am pretty sure that in the case smartcooky talked about with his step-daughter, there was no showdown in court, was there?
 
smartcooky said:
This is not a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ zero sum game... its not a dichotomy... when you cast doubt on what someone says, it does not mean you think they are lying. The could genuinely believe they are tell the truth in their own mind, but still be factually wrong.
Her messages DO NOT COMPORT with what she is claiming. Y'all are hand-waving this away as if words mean nothing.
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You called her a "gold digger" so don't pretend there is any nuance to your position.
 
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