Necesary Reforms

[Polaris]

Anybody got any floss for icebear? He has some goat between his teeth.

 

[uke2se]

And what evidence does he have? Is there anthropological evidence of Native Americans finding or using dinosaur hide and bones?


...wow, this is just beyond silly. I struggled to just write a response to this.

It's too funny to report as being off topic for a politics thread, though. I'd say the OP is a fairly good example of how many people see Tea partiers. Would anyone go as far as to say this is a typical example?

 

[Polaris]

It's too funny to report as being off topic for a politics thread, though. I'd say the OP is a fairly good example of how many people see Tea partiers. Would anyone go as far as to say this is a typical example?

If you substitute American history for American prehistory, you get the same level of overall knowledge and honesty.

 

[elbe]

Poe or not I'm impressed that this new poster is managing to spout woo that fits pretty much every subforum here.

 

[Spindrift]

What Vine once told me was that he'd been working on a sort of a compendium of Amerind oral traditions and had basically spoken with pretty nearly every story-teller and keeper of such traditions from Alaska down to Tierra del Fuego. He said that if there was anything which got to him at first it was the extent to which seemingly 80 or 90% of those traditions retaind ideas about ancestors dealing with dinosaurs.

He said that, knowing Indians as he did, he'd assume that if such stories were fictitious, he'd expect most of them to be about the Indian hero killing the monster with his spear and saving the girl. But the stories usually were about building log stockades to prevent the clumsy creatures from trampling the villages. He said that factor made it highly unlikely that all such stories were fictitious.

Nomadic tribes like the Lakota, Apache, Blackfeet, etc. built stockades?

 

[bedlin88]

Soft tissue increasingly being found in dinosaur remains:

http://kgov.com/dinosaur-soft-tissue



WOT rates this link as poor trustworthiness and caution for child safety.

 

[icebear]

Poe or not ...

Who the **** is Poe. It seems to me that a lot of posters here are living in their own insulated world with their own sort of a code language which you cannot expect normal people to be familiar with.

 

[uke2se]

Who the **** is Poe. It seems to me that a lot of posters here are living in their own insulated world with their own sort of a code language which you cannot expect normal people to be familiar with.

 

[thrombus29]

Who the **** is Poe. It seems to me that a lot of posters here are living in their own insulated world with their own sort of a code language which you cannot expect normal people to be familiar with.

Sorry to confuse you, Bork Obunga is Poe.

Keep it up with your witty and insightful posts, you are working wonders for modern conservationism around here.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Who the **** is Poe. It seems to me that a lot of posters here are living in their own insulated world with their own sort of a code language which you cannot expect normal people to be familiar with.

Some people, in not most, in the forum are having a hard time determining if you're just a satiric caricature of a conservative or not. It's very hard to tell anymore, since the Tea Party is so whack-a-doodle.

Reference Poe's Law if you want to know more.

 

[Upchurch]

Who the **** is Poe.

Poe's Law

It seems to me that a lot of posters here are living in their own insulated world with their own sort of a code language which you cannot expect normal people to be familiar with.

You have to realize that you have joined a community of people that has existed for over a decade and that share, on some level, a common interest in critical thinking and skepticism. As such, we have a somewhat common frame of reference, which includes jargon and slang.

If you don't know what something means, ask. The E in JREF stands for education. No one will fault you for asking questions. Most of us prefer it.

 

[shadron]

Here is a Poe, if you will.



That's what people are thinking your positions are. From the viewpoint of a skeptic, he is a Poe playing out the role of a conservative evangelist. Here is the same person in the real flesh:



He shows up on the video (which he produced) at about 1:07.

Another well known example of a Poe is Stephen Colbert.

 

[Travis]

You may be right in thinking that conservatives and pubbies should be looking for silver linings in the calamity. I actually can think of one such: With a total incompetent in the white house, there would appear to be a fairly good chance of seeing Serbian tanks roll back into Kosovo within the next couple of years. THAT would be a $1000 ticket and a class A celebration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEKcCVgKEiQ

On what basis do you judge Obama to be incompetent?

Why do you think Serbian tanks will roll into Kosovo?

Gee it's a good thing they don't need gold for electronics or aerospace.

If gold was as abundant as copper we would definitely use it for almost all wiring. But icebear is correct that most of its value right now is because it is shiny.

In 1957 public schools still worked in the sense of being able to teach fairly dumb kids to read, write, and have some facility with numbers...

But being in one of them was nobody's idea of fun. They were never intended to produce scholars or self-reliant people; our public school system was based on the Prussian system and intended to produce cannon fodder and bricks in the wall. Thre was no such thing as well-off people sending kids to public schools.

Yet there is such a thing as well off people sending kids to public schools today.

Could it be that the public school system was created to provide a service previously lacking? One that a capitalist market could never hope to provide?

The problem with homeschooling is that it turns out kids who only know what their parents know. It's like inbreeding for knowledge. Even if your parents are well educated you're missing out of the things you learn from other cultures and differing viewpoints.

Yeah. Most of the people I meet that were homeschooled believe in bizarre things like dinosaurs existing with people or that math is a tool of Satan.

***reads rest of thread***

Maybe on an island with just the family... In real life, home-school people band together and form up their own little mini schools, which they control. One parent understands math, another French, another biology.....

Uh huh. And uh, who is the chemist? What if one of the parents wants to teach a version of history where China colonizes the New World? And how do they pay for it? Do the parents not work?

I'm just calling Poe right now.

I'd agree but I often read the mind droppings over at Free Republic.

Vine Deloria taught at the University of Colorado, was president of the Nation Council of American Indians two or three terms, and remains the best known of all American Indian authors. Several of his books, particularly his "Custer DFied for your Sins", are standard university texts on Indian Affairs.

His "Red Earth, White Lies" is generally meant as a refutation to the "Overkill" and/or "Blitzkrieg Overkill" theories which blame Indian ancestors for the North American megafauna dieouts which occurred some 10K - 12K years ago. One chapter, however, deals with dinosaurs in Amerind oral traditions and iconography and petroglyphs, particularly the stegosaur which Indians called "Mishi-pishu" (water panther). Oral traditions describe the water panther as having a saw-blade back, a cat-like face, reddish fur, and a "great spiked tail" which he used as a weapon, i.e. as a stegosaur.

Those kinds of glyphs were common when Europeans first got to North America and, in fact, Lewis and Clark noted that their Indian guides were in mortal terror at the sight of them since the original meaning was "
Caution, one of these things LIVES here".

The glyph at Ogawa Rock is the only one left which is fairly representational, others remain which are more like stick figures but even those show the dorsal spikes. The Agawa Rock glyph also has horns which stegosaurs lacked, but those were simply added at a much later date by an artist who figured an animal that size needed them. Indians were in the habit of touching those glyphs up ever few years.

Deloria described the idea of dinosaurs dying out 65M years ago as a kind of a white man's fairy tale.

Alright. Let us assume this is correct and that some tribes encountered a stegosaurus like creature. Does this prove that humans coexisted with all or most dinosaurs? Does it prove that science is wrong that the fossils are from 65+ million years ago? Does it prove evolution wrong?