Necesary Reforms

[icebear]

Awesome. Let us dissect this.

Except that all of the above work and will continue to do so. What is the alternative? Going back to the awful gold standard?

No, gold is the last possible option. The value of gold is based entirely on psychology and psychiatry, and not on economics or physics.

Read Ellen Brown's book:

www.webofdebt.com

The kinds of solutions she is proposing are more intelligent than that.

 

[icebear]

.... Obama, along with actually being president and having the bully pulpit, is a cool guy that most Americans like ....

Oh, MY, we've really been drinking more than our fair share of the Kool-Ade here, haven't we?

 

[elbe]

Oh, MY, we've really been drinking more than our fair share of the Kool-Ade here, haven't we?

First off, it's flavor-aid , and as far as I can tell Obama is the US's current president. I seem to recall a couple elections that he won and the GOP is constantly talking about how he's the president and everything.

I guess you could be in a different country, Obama wouldn't be president there, did you know this was the US politics subforum?

 

[angrysoba]

The following is a sort of a minimal list of reforms which I'd view as needed at this point....



Money System and Financial Reforms

The money and banking system which was set up in 1913, along with the income tax and IRS which was set up to pay interest on debt while using debt as a primary basis for money, has reached the end of its useful lifespan. Glass-Steagal should be implemented immediately, the so-called "Super Priority" of derivative counterparties hould be abolished immediately, and a major effort should be made to devise a rational system of money for the United States. The Federal Reserve, the IRS, and the income tax should be abolished, and the power to coin money itself should be reclaimed by congress. No rational government should ever borrow money into existence.

...

I vote none-of-the-above!

 

[kellyb]

What I said was, that when you have four people in an ER, one an injured child whose parents pay into the system, another a drug OD case who doesn't, the third a gang vs gang knife problem patch-up case who doesn't, and the third an illegal alien who doesn't, in my system, the child is seen first.

Why the qualifier? What about a kid whose parents don't pay into the system?

 

[Travis]

What I said was, that when you have four people in an ER, one an injured child whose parents pay into the system, another a drug OD case who doesn't, the third a gang vs gang knife problem patch-up case who doesn't, and the third an illegal alien who doesn't, in my system, the child is seen first.

Two injured kids in the ER and you'd need to fall back on triage.

What about a parent who cannot get health insurance for his kids because they were born with chronic conditions? Do they get seen ahead of the "illegals"?

And why do you keep bringing up "illegals?"

Oh, MY, we've really been drinking more than our fair share of the Kool-Ade here, haven't we?

So if someone thinks Obama is both President and cool they are just a sucker for lies?

Obama follows the same sports I do. He is trying to improve the quality of life for people like me that can't get health insurance. And he likes to fund high speed rail. All those make him "cool" in my opinion. So what of those are lies that I only believe because I drank the koolaide?

 

[icebear]

So if someone thinks Obama is both President and cool they are just a sucker for lies?

I love questions with simple answers... Yes. The whole world outside our borders and half the world inside them pretty much understands what a total joke Barry Obama is by now; the problem is the low-information types...

You might want to actually watch that movie ("2016") which Dnesh D'Souza produced last year:

http://2016themovie.com

 

[Aber]

I love questions with simple answers... Yes. The whole world outside our borders and half the world inside them pretty much understands what a total joke Barry Obama is by now; url]

Evidence?

 

[icebear]

Obama follows the same sports I do. He is trying to improve the quality of life for people like me that can't get health insurance. And he likes to fund high speed rail. All those make him "cool" in my opinion. So what of those are lies that I only believe because I drank the koolaide?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303342104579099623833385780.html?mod=trending_now_2

The world misses the old America, the one before the crash—the crashes—of the past dozen years......

.....The prime minister spoke of a great anxiety and his particular hope. The anxiety: "The biggest risk is not political but social. Wealthy societies with people who think wealth is a given, a birthright—they do not understand that we are in the fight of our lives with countries and nations set on displacing us. Wealth is earned. It is far from being a given. It cannot be taken for granted. The recession reminded us how quickly circumstances can change." His hope? That the things that made America a giant—"so much entrepreneurialism and vision"—will, in time, fully re-emerge and jolt the country from the doldrums.

The second takeaway of the week has to do with a continued decline in admiration for the American president. Barack Obama's reputation among his fellow international players has deflated, his stature almost collapsed. In diplomatic circles, attitudes toward his leadership have been declining for some time, but this week you could hear the disappointment, and something more dangerous: the sense that he is no longer, perhaps, all that relevant. .....

 

[icebear]

So if someone thinks Obama is both President and cool they are just a sucker for lies?

A question which not enough people asked:


Did Barrack Obama and his puppet-master Soros generate an immense reservoir of hatred against Americans in Libya in 2011 by taking down what amounted to the best government in the Islammic world for motives amounting to little if anything other than pure greed, and THEN set the stage for a US ambassador to be tortured, raped, and then killed by sheer fecklessness with no meaningful response in the picture over a year later?


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD14Ak02.html


Ellen Brown noted (2011) that:

Another anomaly involves the official justification for taking up arms against Libya. Supposedly it's about human rights violations, but the evidence is contradictory. According to an article on the Fox News website on February 28:

As the United Nations works feverishly to condemn Libyan leader Muammar al-Qaddafi for cracking down on protesters, the body's Human Rights Council is poised to adopt a report chock-full of praise for Libya's human rights record.

The review commends Libya for improving educational opportunities, for making human rights a "priority" and for bettering its "constitutional" framework. Several countries, including Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia but also Canada, give Libya positive marks for the legal protections afforded to its citizens - who are now revolting against the regime and facing bloody reprisal.

Whatever might be said of Gaddafi's personal crimes, the Libyan people seem to be thriving. A delegation of medical professionals from Russia, Ukraine and Belarus wrote in an appeal to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin that after becoming acquainted with Libyan life, it was their view that in few nations did people live in such comfort:

[Libyans] are entitled to free treatment, and their hospitals provide the best in the world of medical equipment. Education in Libya is free, capable young people have the opportunity to study abroad at government expense. When marrying, young couples receive 60,000 Libyan dinars (about 50,000 US dollars) of financial assistance. Non-interest state loans, and as practice shows, undated. Due to government subsidies the price of cars is much lower than in Europe, and they are affordable for every family. Gasoline and bread cost a penny, no taxes for those who are engaged in agriculture. The Libyan people are quiet and peaceful, are not inclined to drink, and are very religious.

They maintained that the international community had been misinformed about the struggle against the regime. "Tell us," they said, "who would not like such a regime?" .....

Khadaffi apparently was on the verge of pulling all of Africa out of the greedy webs of the international banking cartels (IMF, BIS etc.) and apparently Soros, the true ruler of today's democrat party, was not able to deal with that.

Another way to look at the picture which Ellen Brown and others have painted:

Is there any reason why a Libyan WOULDN'T want to torture and kill an ambassador of a nation which just took down a government like Khadaffi's and put Libya under the thumb of the muslim brotherhood??

Or, is there some reason why a government (ours) which had recently perpetrated something like that, would fail to take major precautions for protecting any of its own operatives still working in such a place?

Is there a reason not to impeach an incompetent US president who does all of this **** and then justs lets a US ambassador get tortured, raped, and killed and is off partying the next day like

Who gives a ****??

and still hasn't done jack **** about it more than a year later?

 

[icebear]

What it sounds like, reading Ellen Brown's article:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD14Ak02.html

is that Putin and Medvedev got a bunch of their top spies together in a room and said something like:

Guys, I don't need any state secrets or industrial secrets this time, all I want you to do is bum around in that place (Libya) for about three weeks and then come back here and give us your impression of how the average person in Libya is making out. Call it idle curiosity, or some sort of a need to know...

And they came back and told the two leaders that life in Libya was so good that anybody who'd want to rebel against that government would have to be totally out of his mind.

Ellen Brown alo notes that the "rebels(TM)" started their entire thing by setting up a central bank. Picture George Washington and our founding fathers together in a room, and somebody says

Guys, we really need to get out of this business of being a colony. First thing we need to do is set up a central bank!!

And everybody else yells:

Here, Here!!!

Brilliant!!!

By Jove, I think he's GOT it!!!!

What this means is that Soros got those guys in a room and told them:

Guys, you play ball with me, and I'll put you in charge of Libya...

What Soros and Obama perpetrated in Libya in 2011 was basically a bank robbery. Libya was a very well run and managed nation with some 5 - 7 trillion wealth which was owned by the state and not the Khadaffi family, i.e. whoever controlled the government controlled all of that money, That included hundreds of billions in bullion and hundreds of billions in European debt.

In the United States, particularly, whenever something (e.g. a claim that Libyan people under Khadaffi were being "oppressed") cannot be figured logically, the basic rule is to follow the money.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Did Barrack Obama and his puppet-master Soros generate an immense reservoir of hatred against Americans in Libya in 2011 by taking down what amounted to the best government in the Islammic world . . .

Getting a little desperate with the trolling, eh?

 

[Dymanic]

Getting a little desperate with the trolling, eh?

It seems to be having the desired effect, considering the amount of attention this thread has been receiving.

 

[maxpower1227]

Dinesh D'Souza?! Oh good grief.

 

[elbe]

It seems to be having the desired effect, considering the amount of attention this thread has been receiving.

It did start a lot more civil than previous attempts were. I was thinking maybe some people just need more time before they can play with the adults.

 

[Travis]

I love questions with simple answers... Yes. The whole world outside our borders and half the world inside them pretty much understands what a total joke Barry Obama is by now; the problem is the low-information types...

You might want to actually watch that movie ("2016") which Dnesh D'Souza produced last year:

http://2016themovie.com

Ah yes. The infamous 2016.

Why would I want to bore myself with it again?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303342104579099623833385780.html?mod=trending_now_2

Is that supposed to make me not think he's cool because other people don't think he's cool?

Buddy I was a Mormon advocate for gay rights in a highly conservative area growing up. Then I found myself supporting the Iraq War while attending a hippy college. Obviously succumbing to peer pressure isn't my thing.

A question which not enough people asked:


Did Barrack Obama and his puppet-master Soros generate an immense reservoir of hatred against Americans in Libya in 2011 by taking down what amounted to the best government in the Islammic world for motives amounting to little if anything other than pure greed, and THEN set the stage for a US ambassador to be tortured, raped, and then killed by sheer fecklessness with no meaningful response in the picture over a year later?

Another question which not enough people asked: Where was the muppet Elmo on 9/11?

Yet another question which not enough people asked: Which soda is most racist?

And yet another question which not enough people asked: Is our appendix really an alien spore?

Heck we can keep it up with absurd questions that people don't ask about all day.

 

[Dymanic]

It did start a lot more civil than previous attempts were. I was thinking maybe some people just need more time before they can play with the adults.

I'm generally in favor of extending the benefit of the doubt myself, but if you're going to make that your default policy, it's important to recognize when the point has been crossed beyond which there no longer is any doubt.

 

[Mudcat]

It seems to be having the desired effect, considering the amount of attention this thread has been receiving.

The thread started out well enough, in my honest opinion. And then icebear went into incoherent conspiracy theorist mode.

 

[Magyar]

No, gold is the last possible option. The value of gold is based entirely on psychology and psychiatry, and not on economics or physics.

Read Ellen Brown's book:

www.webofdebt.com

The kinds of solutions she is proposing are more intelligent than that.

That's the smartest and stupidest thing you said in this thread. (There should be some kind of award for accomplishing that in one sentance). What possible delusion do you live under that make you think that any other system is ANY different?!

From tulip bulbs to stone at the island of stone to all kinds of other systems. Any and all systems of economy require the psychological commitment of the populace to believe in its worth. Prove me wrong.

 

[A'isha]

Did Barrack Obama and his puppet-master Soros generate an immense reservoir of hatred against Americans in Libya in 2011 by taking down what amounted to the best government in the Islammic world for motives amounting to little if anything other than pure greed, and THEN set the stage for a US ambassador to be tortured, raped, and then killed by sheer fecklessness with no meaningful response in the picture over a year later?

Wow.