NBC and CBS reject Anti Ground Zero Mosque ad

[Kevin_Lowe]

Kevin, your u-tubby link is broken.

I fail at the internet.

Let's try that again. Is Audacity of Jihad related to Audacity of Huge?

 

[SezMe]

Now I wish I had not brought it to your attention.

 

[Epok]

I wish.

I've listened to the interviews of the people behind the building and they seem to be genuine in wanting to build a community center rather than a mosque. They came across as genuinely nice people trying to break some of the stigma and advocate tolerance. The bigoted backlash from the people opposed to the idea is ridiculous, and a bit depressing to be honest.

I think the idea behind the center is admirable, but it seems to me like it's an issue that shouldn't be pushed in such an emotionally charged area. I think it would cause a lot more trouble than its worth.

I agree. If a group of Muslims are wanting to dedicate some kind of memorial to show their disgust at what a fringe group of fundamentalist did then I think that's a noble cause. It would be nice to see some kind of memorial go up because its been almost a decade and people can't decide what they wanna do with the site. And as its already been pointed out, its not on the site of the WTC so there is still an opportunity to place a non-religious memorial on the actual site. Which is what I would like to see because 9/11 affected a lot more than just Christians, Muslims or even Americans. That tragedy affected the whole world.

 

[Kestrel]

A bit more information from Nate at fivethirtyeight.com.

The "Ground Zero Mosque" is actually an Islamic center.

The proposed Islamic center is a couple blocks away from the WTC site.

The proposed building will not be visible from the WTC site.

It's not a new Islamic center, it's a new building replacing an existing Islamic center.

 

[Thunder]

what a diusgusting, truly disgusting ad.

do they really want politicians to stop the mosque? how would they do that?

pass a law that new mosques must be a minimum of 1 mile from GZ?

what the **** is wrong with these people?

bigots, racists, extremists, and fascists. thats all they are. and this ad proves it.

there truly are Americans who want war with Islam. I pray they do not succeed.

btw, why is it that the Tea-Baggers and supposed Libertarians, are now pushing for govt. to decide where a religion can build their house of worship?

God damn hypocrites.

and what's the worst thing about this? some of the folks behind this ad and behind the anti-Muslim bigotry in it, are the same folks that yell and scream about anti-Semitism.



....ps. The NYC Landmarks Preservation Board is today going to vote down landmark status for the existing building. This new Islamic center is much closer to reality.

and only FASCIST governments tell a religious group where they can and cannot build a house of worship.

 

[AvalonXQ]

and only FASCIST governments tell a religious group where they can and cannot build a house of worship.

I agree.
Palin lost my admiration and support over this issue.

 

[kathaksung]

Ground zero mosque.

This is how this country being ruled:

To justify the war in Mid-East, hey have a false flag terror attack on 911 . The Muslim is accused as terrorist. Now they build a Mosque in WTO site to show how tolerant and fair they are. What a trick of propaganda.

Is that funny people flock to argue about "religious", "victim of 911"....? The real mastermind of the 911 grins at the soap opera they directed.

 

[Corsair 115]

To justify the war in Mid-East, hey have a false flag terror attack on 911 .

There's an entire section here dedicated to 9/11 conspiracy theories. Your commentary more properly belongs there. (Be advised: you'd better have your evidence in order or else the folks there will rip your conspiracy theory into shreds.)

 

[MikeSun5]

This is how this country being ruled:

 

[elbe]

To justify the war in Mid-East, hey have a false flag terror attack on 911 . The Muslim is accused as terrorist. Now they build a Mosque in WTO site to show how tolerant and fair they are. What a trick of propaganda.

How dare the government allow private citizens to purchase real estate! Clearly this "free market" is a government plot.

 

[dudalb]

kathaaksung is also floating a conspiracy theory about Goldman Sachs knowing in advance about the Gulf Oil Spill

 

[Thunder]

i agree with CBS's and NBC's decision.

they would not air a Holocaust-denial ad, nor should they air an ad that attacks Muslims.

 

[kathaksung]

This subject is part of the propaganda the ruler of this country to fool the people.

Obama is picked up to be president to show US is a democratic country. There is no racism, see, we have a black president. This is especially needed after US started its Mid-east war.

Mosque debate is the same tactic. See, how tolerance we are even they attacked us, we still build a mosque for them. This is especially needed when they are preparing another war - war on Iran.

 

[GreNME]

This subject is part of the propaganda the ruler of this country to fool the people.

Obama is picked up to be president to show US is a democratic country. There is no racism, see, we have a black president. This is especially needed after US started its Mid-east war.

Mosque debate is the same tactic. See, how tolerance we are even they attacked us, we still build a mosque for them. This is especially needed when they are preparing another war - war on Iran.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

The problem as I see it is that people try to make you choose one of two ways: either Jihad is as white as snow, or else all Muslims are bastards. God knows I am no fan of Jihad, and mosques were, and are, used for what is in effect architectural triumphitalism. But that hardly means this mosque by this man is such a case.

What a false dichotomy! How about adding to your choices, or you could just recognize every Muslim is not sympathetic to or involved with the small extremist group of terrorists who are Muslim. Any religion that has over a billion people following it cannot possibly be homogeneous. Human nature precludes it.

In other words, Muslim is not synonymous with terrorism any more than Arab is synonymous with terrorism any more than Christian is synonymous with abortion doctor murderer.

So far, the evidence for his alleged radicalism is underwhelming. ...

So it would appear you are being more sensible now about this affair. That's great. Glad to hear it.

Or are you just conflicted?

It's shallow thinking to believe that the only reason to oppose the mosque there is "Islamophobia" or "hatred of Islam" or "thinking all Muslims are alike" or "have no respect for the Constitution". This is sheer nonsense.

People agree they people have a legal right to build the mosque, and that mosques per se are not a problem. The only argue that building a large mosque in this particular location is insensitive and hurtful. Why is this so hard to understand? ...

It's the location that is the problem, not the mosque or monastary (or those who worship there) itself.

Or perhaps you still don't think there is hypocrisy in saying the Islamic center a couple blocks from GZ is insensitive but you really aren't saying all Muslims are tainted with the stench of a handful of them who are out killing people for God?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

So those in power only allow those in power to tell you which choices, from a limited set they define, that they will permit you to pick from?

Nice.

So it's OK for Fox News to broadcast 24/7 their political message but the other broadcast companies are not allowed to have an opinion of what they air because they are somehow bound by free speech ethics to air a false, misleading, disgusting bigoted commercial against the entire Arab, Persian and Muslim world?

That ad is so over the top in terms of advertising hate, it boggles the mind.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

... But as we have seen, the internet is stepping in to fill the gap.

And the outrageousness of it is also getting it exposure time via news coverage.

There are two possibilities here, the bigots who produced the ad actually do hate all Muslims, or, they knew full well, the more outrageous the ad, the more money it would raise from the extremist Americans who do hold those bigoted views.

The Republicans have a long history of stirring up outrage because it motivates action. People who think communists have taken over the country, donate money and come out to vote. The same is true for people who hold extreme views about abortion, homosexuality, Muslims, and immigrants. I suspect the GOP knows full well what they are doing here.

 

[Dr. Keith]

I agree.
Palin lost my admiration and support over this issue.

I have found the best cure for Palin admiration is Palin exposure. The more you know . . .

It may take time, but it eventually works.

 

[Dr. Keith]

I wish.

I've listened to the interviews of the people behind the building and they seem to be genuine in wanting to build a community center rather than a mosque. They came across as genuinely nice people trying to break some of the stigma and advocate tolerance. The bigoted backlash from the people opposed to the idea is ridiculous, and a bit depressing to be honest.

Agreed. But this part troubles me . . .

I think the idea behind the center is admirable, but it seems to me like it's an issue that shouldn't be pushed in such an emotionally charged area. I think it would cause a lot more trouble than its worth.

Six months ago this was on the drawing boards and was not news. Why? The election cycle. It is only emotionally charged because political conservatives and fox news have made it emotionally charged as a part of the election cycle. In other words, it is not emotionally charged at all, it is politically charged.

Besides, how far is far enough? Two blocks away for the WTC site on the site of an old Burlington Coat Factory does not seem to be hallowed ground to me.

 

[Thunder]

Originally Posted by Skeptic
It's shallow thinking to believe that the only reason to oppose the mosque there is "Islamophobia" or "hatred of Islam" or "thinking all Muslims are alike" or "have no respect for the Constitution". This is sheer nonsense.

People agree they people have a legal right to build the mosque, and that mosques per se are not a problem. The only argue that building a large mosque in this particular location is insensitive and hurtful. Why is this so hard to understand? ...


what the folks who argue the mosque will attract terrorists and terrorism sympathizers? what about the folks who argue it will be a monument to Islamic extremist victory in NYC?

what about the folks who argue it will be a trojan horse for Sharia law and Islamic supremacism in the USA?

what about the folks who want the Cordoba Institute investigated for ties to terrorists??

huhh???