NBC and CBS reject Anti Ground Zero Mosque ad

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Gee, it's so tasteful, I can't imagine why they rejected it.

This link contains a CNN video about the ad.

(CNN) -- The proposal by the Cordoba Initiative to build an Islamic center near Ground Zero has drawn major media attention and engendered fierce debate. Right-wing political commentators, politicians, hard-line Christian ministers, bloggers and some families of 9/11 victims have charged that it is insensitive to 9/11 families, dishonors memories of the victims and will be a "monument to terrorism."

But here are the facts:The center is not at Ground Zero but two blocks away, and the Cordoba Initiative seeks to build a center, not a mosque. The center is not designed as a local mosque for a Muslim community but rather to serve the wider community.

It is meant to improve interfaith and Muslim-West relations and promote tolerance -- not just to provide services to Muslims. The proposed 15-story community center will include a prayer room, offices, meeting rooms, gym, swimming pool and performing arts center.
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I often wonder whether the UK would be better off if we allowed political adverts on TV (Other than Party Political Broadcasts).

Seeing this, I'm glad we don't.
 
So those in power only allow those in power to tell you which choices, from a limited set they define, that they will permit you to pick from?

Nice.
 
Good. The fact that these bigots are getting any sort of mainstream support saddens and disgusts me.
 
That ad is a pretty obnoxious piece of propaganda.

The Republican PAC behind this doesn't show Park Place at all, but keeps showing pictures of the WTC site. This is clearly an attempt to deceive people about the location of the property.

They also use plenty of appeal to emotion and to Christian identification. The Republicans claim that the WTC site is "sacred". They don't seem to realize that this may not be the best choice of words, since a "sacred" bit of real estate is a logical place for a house of worship. They should have been honest and said that the site was sacred to Christianity, which is, of course, conflated with American-ness.

I'm glad this was not accepted by these TV networks. But as we have seen, the internet is stepping in to fill the gap.
 
The problem as I see it is that people try to make you choose one of two ways: either Jihad is as white as snow, or else all Muslims are bastards. God knows I am no fan of Jihad, and mosques were, and are, used for what is in effect architectural triumphitalism. But that hardly means this mosque by this man is such a case.

So far, the evidence for his alleged radicalism is underwhelming. For example, from one "stop the mosque" web site:

Feisal Rauf has planned for some time to further develop his father’s U.S. Islamic expansionism. In 1990, Rauf opened the tiny al-Farah Mosque at 245 West Broadway in lower Manhattan. Area residents did not even notice the mosque until 2006, when the New York State Liquor Authority (SLA) refused to license a new bar on the same block and started yanking others’ liquor licenses (3)
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The yanking of the license isn't a Muslim plot. There's a law that doesn't allow liquor stores 200 yards from religious establishments and/or schools. But they've been there for sixteen years before anybody noticed and that's an Islamist expansionist conspiracy?

Rauf’s early UK education and familiarization with American popular culture and values made him an acutely adept practitioner of Islamic taqiyya — deceptive speech and action to advance the interests and supremacy of Islam (8).
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So if he likes American popular culture, he's part of a conspiracy to deceive us about his real plans. If he disliked it, well, that would just prove how much he hates America, I guess.

The rest of the article also is, to say the least, not convincing. The worst that can be said about this guy is that he didn't dissociate himself strongly from loony radicals, and that he bought the usual "It's-all-the-USA's-fault" BS the left peddles about 9/11. That is a serious problem -- but not for him alone. It's a problem for Islam in general, unfortunately.

Is it possible he's really just biding his time, and is in favor of terror and domination of non-Muslims? Everything's possible, I suppose, but where's the evidence? Sorry, but I need something stronger than "Qatar gave money to the mosque and it also harbors terrorists", like in the article. Technically true, but it hardly proves anything. Using the same logic, "USA gave money to Haiti and the USA fights in Afghanistan" "proves" the USA's help to Haiti was really a military invasion.


 
Not that it matters much, but I had intended to post this in the Social Issues and Current Events forum, so if one of you wonderful moderators would like to move it there, feel free.
 
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Travis said:
Agreed.
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Sad. Give Dubya credit,he tried to avoid the "All Muslims Are Evil" angle.
I am turning on the GOP just because of it's is allying itself with extremists for a temporary political advantage...a very bad and dangerous tactic. At the risk of A Godwin, they need to take a hard look at how mainstream German Conservative allied themselves with The Nazi Party under the illusion that "we can control them".
 
Beerina said:
So those in power only allow those in power to tell you which choices, from a limited set they define, that they will permit you to pick from?

Nice.
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They are private businesses who declined to air an ad they though was in bad taste.
Funny for A Libertarian to protest.
 
Lamafarmer said:
I hadn't known it was the GOPTRUST. Oh my.
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That part took me a bit aback as well. I knew about the anti-mosque sentiment, thanks to Thunder's copious coverage of it here on the forum, but I was a bit surprised and saddened to see a group affiliated with the GOP take it on and in such a disgusting manner.

The other thing worth mentioning, that I learned from the other threads, is that apparently this mosque/community center already exists on that very site (or very nearby). What is being proposed is an expansion, not a completely new entity.
 
Good 'ol free speech cuts both ways. You can say what you want but you can't make me air it on my station. I'm so sad such drooling bigotry won't be interrupting my cartoons.

BTW, does Obama have any formal authority over this matter? City planning is a state/city concern.
 
dudalb said:
At the risk of A Godwin, they need to take a hard look at how mainstream German Conservative allied themselves with The Nazi Party under the illusion that "we can control them".
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Oh that's okay, I could countersign if you would want me to.;)

When I talk to Americans about how the GOP appears to be full of these idiotic people at the top, I'm always glad we don't seem to have nearly as many in our political landscape. Especially not with such large footprints.
 
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