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National Emergency

Now we find out if the Republicans really love the constitution as much as they claim too, or if they are willing to sell it out for some temporary political gains. I am afraid it is going to be the latter.
I have deceded that the GOP, as it now exists,is as much as clear and present danger to Consituional Government in America as Trump.
 
acbytesla said:
I'm telling you all again, this is theater. Trump understands the law, but doesn't want to look bad. He CANNOT shut the government down again. That was a disaster.
He also KNOWS the courts will say no. But it's the optics he cares about. This way he can declare victory and keep blaming everyone else. He can get the crazies off his back and can even use this to rally them.
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And you don't get why a President even trying this is dangerous to Democracy in America.
 
If he does this, it may not get to court at all. Congress may well override him if enough Republicans see the writing on the wall and don't want to see their careers die in a filthy ditch with Donny. Pelosi has given them the heads-up now.

So to go to court, he would have to take it there himself, and argue that there WAS an "emergency" big enough for him to unilaterally override Congress. And I don't think Donny has much of a chance there, even with Drunky McRapeface on his side.
 
dudalb said:
And you don't get why a President even trying this is dangerous to Democracy in America.
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I get it. I don't like it one bit. But perhaps I'm a little to optimistic. I remember what happened with Harry Truman.
 
Norman Alexander said:
If he does this, it may not get to court at all. Congress may well override him if enough Republicans see the writing on the wall and don't want to see their careers die in a filthy ditch with Donny. Pelosi has given them the heads-up now.

So to go to court, he would have to take it there himself, and argue that there WAS an "emergency" big enough for him to unilaterally override Congress. And I don't think Donny has much of a chance there, even with Drunky McRapeface on his side.
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No, you misunderstand. The President cannot authorize spending. That HAS to come from Congress. They appropriate funds. However, there is money in the Defense budget that can be used for a National Emergency.

By using those funds for this, Trump is going around Congress and the Constitution.
 
William Parcher said:
In post #8 you said that he can't shut the government down.
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There are specific times when there is no budget or operating under a CR or raising the debt limit where Congress can play this game. Now would be one of those times. But 5 months from now won't be.
 
Aw, I wanted him to grab the CA and Puerto Rico disaster money and get into real trouble.

Congress needs to get his signature on the budget and only then act.
 
acbytesla said:
I'm telling you all again, this is theater. Trump understands the law, but doesn't want to look bad. He CANNOT shut the government down again. That was a disaster.
He also KNOWS the courts will say no. But it's the optics he cares about. This way he can declare victory and keep blaming everyone else. He can get the crazies off his back and can even use this to rally them.
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I think you're right. More accurately, I hope you're right.

This smells like a stunt to me, just like the wall in general.
 
Norman Alexander said:
If he does this, it may not get to court at all. Congress may well override him if enough Republicans see the writing on the wall and don't want to see their careers die in a filthy ditch with Donny. Pelosi has given them the heads-up now.

So to go to court, he would have to take it there himself, and argue that there WAS an "emergency" big enough for him to unilaterally override Congress. And I don't think Donny has much of a chance there, even with Drunky McRapeface on his side.
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IMHO, this is a defining moment for a lot of Republicans. What Trump is doing goes against standard Conservative doctrine:That for a long time the Presidency has gathered simply too much power for itself, well beyond what the Writers of the Consituion intended.(A statement I agree with). Now they are faced with the choice of sticking to principal or throwing principle out the window for temporary political gain. McConnell has made his choice:The hell with the Constituion. Now it is up for the other Republcians to make their choice. I am not very optimistic. The lust for power has totally corrupted the GOP.
That great line from "A Man For All Seasons" comes to mind:
"To gain the world and lose your soul is bad enough..but to sell your soul for Wales?".
 
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acbytesla said:
I'm telling you all again, this is theater. Trump understands the law, but doesn't want to look bad. He CANNOT shut the government down again. That was a disaster.
He also KNOWS the courts will say no. But it's the optics he cares about. This way he can declare victory and keep blaming everyone else. He can get the crazies off his back and can even use this to rally them.
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I agree. Trump knows his base really well. But then again, they're not that difficult to understand...just play to their fears.
 
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acbytesla said:
I'm telling you all again, this is theater. Trump understands the law, but doesn't want to look bad. He CANNOT shut the government down again. That was a disaster.
He also KNOWS the courts will say no. But it's the optics he cares about. This way he can declare victory and keep blaming everyone else. He can get the crazies off his back and can even use this to rally them.
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The operative word being "rally", because it's that campaign rally buzz Trump really craves. This is his easy escape from politics, which confuses and bores him, and gets him back to simplistic sloganising before an adoring audience.
 
newyorkguy said:
Pelosi doesn't like it, calling it an "end run around Congress." She also said:


Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Thursday issued a warning to Republicans poised to support President Trump's decision to declare a national emergency at the southern border: the next Democratic president, she said, could do the same on guns. Link
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Oh...my....God.


So, the President says he's going to do an end run around Congress in order to keep out illegal aliens...…...and Nancy Pelosi responded by saying, "Oh, yeah. Well if we get into office, we're going to do an end run around Congress so we can take away your guns."

Thanks, Nancy. That really helps.
 
eerok said:
I think you're right. More accurately, I hope you're right.

This smells like a stunt to me, just like the wall in general.
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I agree. Trump has the same opinion of his base as Lonesome Rhodes did. He wants to go back to his original plan in December.... Give up, go to Mar A Lago, claim victory. But the alt-right kaboshed that so he had to "Go To Shutdown Tough Guy" mode and got his butt whipped then, too. Now he's going to revert to Give Up Go to Mar A Lago Claim Victory. He will declare an emergency and then count on it getting blocked. He can then get back to his first love, campaigning, and claim that he tried but was blocked by evil Democrats. He's got the sound bytes ready. "Finish That Wall".... we already did most of it according to Trump math. Dems want to let murdering terrorist rapists into your Sunday School picnics!

If you want to see funny, the Dems should do a dog-chasing-a-car bit and not file suit against the emergency and watch while the Republicans try to figure out what to do next because they are completely ill-prepared to take even a dime from any other funds. Maybe they could attach Steven Miller's salary and use that to pay for the wall and announce that all the billionaires they've given JTUF(jobs they're unsuited for) will pay for it. Hell, they bought their cabinet and WH positions with contributions. Might as well donate to their rabid base directly.
 
Meadmaker said:
Oh...my....God.


So, the President says he's going to do an end run around Congress in order to keep out illegal aliens...…...and Nancy Pelosi responded by saying, "Oh, yeah. Well if we get into office, we're going to do an end run around Congress so we can take away your guns."

Thanks, Nancy. That really helps.
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Yes, it helps. The pros on the Republican side are worried precisely about this. If Trump's scenario plays out and he gets blocked in the lower courts but supported by the Supremes, you have precedent and case law on your side. How hard do you think it would be to get your Democratically appointed Surgeon General and Sec HHS to promote the concept that gun deaths are a national crisis? With the Supremes having decided that the POTUS has those powers, President O'Rourke is free to do that. Don't need no pesky congress critters, just decide to spend the money for maintaining the highways out of the grain belt on gun control. Hey, it's a tough job, but it's an emergency after all and someone's got to do it. Who knew usurping the powers of the Legislative branch would be so easy?

Just as the Dems didn't think through the later repercussions of "the nuclear option", the GOP is in dire fear of what a populist Democrat with 55% support of the populace could pencil-whip through the Oval Office.
 
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