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National Emergency

kookbreaker said:
It’s not even the source, it’s that it is just one guy’s quote. You could find a guy who says the real problem is Griffins and Hydras at the border if you want. Some partisan Trump toadie isn’t much to base an emergency on.
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Doesn't it concern you that Norman Alexander thinks Fox Business made up the interview?
 
Norman Alexander said:
When we get some. Anything from Fox is highly unlikely to be "facts" and is therefore not evidence. Fox is less factual and realistic than a Marvel comic.
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Your beef is with Foolmeonce and kookbreaker. They agree that the interview with the border patrol chief is real and you think it is fake. You guys can hash it out then get back to me.
 
Baylor said:
No one's expecting that because your lack of concern for the truth. It's more for the lurkers to see that skeptics would rather get their updates on the border from aboringies and childless Europeans than the actual Border Patrol Chief.
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It's MARK MORGAN. Look him up, folks.

Baylor thinks that everyone's as tribal as he is so putting "former Obama CBP head" is going to make us all swoon. "Eeeeeeee! It's Barrack! It must be fine!" Obama appointed people to fill positions. Some were not ideologically pure according to the imaginary Great Progressive Litmus Test. Morgan has always been rather conservative.

The quote, as mentioned, was from when he was trying to get the job. He is playing up to Trump, who was in the process of purging ICE, DHS and CBP of those not loyal to him. It's like Supreme Court nominees who sit in front of the Senate and lie about how fair they're going to be. It amounts to a single line from a single person.

Woop Dee Doo!
 
Baylor said:
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Wapo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ba6558f9e36b
President Trump announced his choice as director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) on Sunday, tapping a former FBI official who frequently appears on cable news advocating for the president’s immigration policies.

In a tweet, Trump called Mark Morgan, who briefly ran the U.S. Border Patrol under President Barack Obama, “a true believer and an American Patriot. He will do a great job!”

Trump, who has made tougher immigration enforcement a pillar of his presidential campaign and his administration, recently pulled the nomination of his previous choice to run ICE, saying that he wanted to go in “a tougher direction.”

In Morgan, Trump has found a vocal advocate for some of his positions, particularly the construction of a wall on the border with Mexico. Morgan has said such a wall would be an effective way to reduce illegal border crossings.

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Morgan worked closely with then-Deputy CBP Commissioner Kevin McAleenan, but Morgan was forced out days after Trump took office, a move viewed at the time as a favor to Judd, the union chief who endorsed Trump and backed his plan for a border wall.

“He didn’t know the job to begin with,” Judd told the Associated Press in 2017. “He had to go on a tour of all the Border Patrol sectors to get an understanding. We needed a chief to hit the ground running.”
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Bersin [Alan Bersin, a top border official under the Obama and Clinton administrations] said the immigration system is foundering because tens of thousands of families are seeking asylum and clogging the immigration court system. Naming Morgan could set up a team that would address issues with the asylum system and work closely with Mexico to block smuggling from Central America.

To achieve that, he said the agencies must also set enforcement priorities, as they did under the Obama administration, which focused on deporting serious criminals and recent border crossers. Trump scuttled those priorities and has said anyone here illegally could be deported, which pleased the immigration and Border Patrol unions that had backed his candidacy.

“One would hope that Trump and Miller would understand that following their advice, together with their own doing, has led them to real disaster,” Bersin said. “The problem is that they have always since the beginning confused toughness at the border with needless cruelty and substantial illegality.”

Bersin noted that Trump is deporting fewer migrants than were deported under Obama and past presidents.

“They haven’t created a successful deterrent,” he said. “ All in all, the Trump record has been the worst in 30 years.”
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Baylor said:
Doesn't it concern you that Norman Alexander thinks Fox Business made up the interview?
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No, because he never said such a thing. There are many ways of producing a biased article without inventing quotes. Fox knows and employs most of those techniques when they play the base like a fiddle.

So stop trying to distract from the fact that you still don’t have evidence of any emergency that Trump himself didn’t cause.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Baylor thinks that everyone's as tribal as he is so putting "former Obama CBP head" is going to make us all swoon. "Eeeeeeee! It's Barrack!
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I actually don't think this at all.

Foolmewunz said:
The quote, as mentioned, was from when he was trying to get the job. He is playing up to Trump, who was in the process of purging ICE, DHS and CBP of those not loyal to him. It's like Supreme Court nominees who sit in front of the Senate and lie about how fair they're going to be. It amounts to a single line from a single person.

Woop Dee Doo!
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Conspiracy Theories is that way----->
 
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kookbreaker said:
No, because he never said such a thing. There are many ways of producing a biased article without inventing quotes. Fox knows and employs most of those techniques when they play the base like a fiddle.

So stop trying to distract from the fact that you still don’t have evidence of any emergency that Trump himself didn’t cause.
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I asked you guys to hash it out before getting back to me. Norman Alexander still thinks the the interview is fraudulent. You just said the source is fine now you appear to be backtracking. You guys need to figure out what you believe before engaging.
 
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Baylor said:
You're back to frantically Googling random things again. You still think the Morgan interview is a fake. Now youre quoting irrelevant articles that does nothing to disprove the border emergency and you're putting random things in hi-lite without saying what exactly your argument is.
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It's called a conversation. You should try it sometime. The discussion got side-tracked and at least a couple of us have tried to relate it to the topic. That includes linking to an article in the hateful WaPo. Your "Here's a Guy Wot Worked for That Negro Feller And He Says Trump is Swell" offered no context. Then again, it needed no context. That was and is the depth of your argument. A half-hearted gotcha.

The context is, as I've explained, that he only held the position under Obama for a short while. Further that he's a career fibbie, not a politician, and that there are actually some hard-liners working in various departments of the government... hardliners who may actually disagree with the administration. Well, under previous management, that is.

Now, I was polite and just assumed that you knew that he's the current head of the agency. There's an excellent chance that you didn't 'cuz if you did, why certainly you would've mentioned that it was a statement by the current head of the agency, who'd also served under Obama,... 'cuz you wouldn't obfuscate, as we all know.

I reiterate.... he was auditioning for the role. He wanted to show His Royal Oranginess that he had the right stuff.

Lurkers: This is the guy Trump said was a "true believer". Baylor is offering him up as an Obama liberal, I do believe.
 
Extending 'Zero Tolerance' To People Who Help Migrants Along The Border
Arrests of people for harboring, sheltering, leaving food and water or otherwise protecting migrants have been on the rise since 2017, when then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions ordered federal prosecutors to prioritize cases covered under the harboring statute.

Scott Warren, a 36-year-old college geography instructor from Ajo, Ariz., works with a group called called No More Deaths or No Mas Muertes. The group's volunteers leave water and food for migrants traversing the Arizona desert.

Warren was arrested in 2017 and faces three felony counts including conspiracy to transport and harbor migrants. In its complaint, the government claims Warren was seen talking to two migrants who sheltered in Ajo. He denies being part of any sheltering plan.
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Sessions wanted to kill off more immigrants and take their kids away to stop them coming into the country.

The GOP is the Party of Pro-life and family values.

'Home' is an incredible poem about refugees.

"Home. No one leaves home unless home is the mouth of a shark...
 
Norman Alexander said:
What seems to be forgotten is that the net flow of "illegals" (for want of a better word) is FROM the USA TO Mexico nowadays. Far more people leave the USA via the southern border than arrive.

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There is no evidence for this so I conclude this should be added. In fact the exact opposite is true.
 
I got a texted "Top Stories" this afternoon on the way home from work that said Trump was going to make a major border announcement this afternoon. I didn't see anything when I got home. Anyone know what the stupid bitch announced?
 
bknight said:
There is no evidence for this so I conclude this should be added. In fact the exact opposite is true.
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Exactly. Norman Alexander did exactly what I said he was going to do. He thinks everyone who crosses the border is Mexican. (He's made this mistake several times throughout this thread.) Then he makes all these stupid claims saying more people cross into Mexico than the US on the border. I call him out, correct his mistake, and it gets sent to AAH. So much for skeptics "caring about the truth."
 
Trump Tweets

On June 10th, the United States will impose a 5% Tariff on all goods coming into our Country from Mexico, until such time as illegal migrants coming through Mexico, and into our Country, STOP. The Tariff will gradually increase until the Illegal Immigration problem is remedied,..


....at which time the Tariffs will be removed. Details from the White House to follow.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

On June 10th, the United States will impose a 5% Tariff on all goods coming into our Country from Mexico, until such time as illegal migrants coming through Mexico, and into our Country, STOP. The Tariff will gradually increase until the Illegal Immigration problem is remedied,..


....at which time the Tariffs will be removed. Details from the White House to follow.
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Attention Walmart Shoppers! Looks like Walmart will be increasing prices yet again thanks to Donald J. Tariff.
 
Baylor said:
Exactly. Norman Alexander did exactly what I said he was going to do. He thinks everyone who crosses the border is Mexican. (He's made this mistake several times throughout this thread.) Then he makes all these stupid claims saying more people cross into Mexico than the US on the border. I call him out, correct his mistake, and it gets sent to AAH. So much for skeptics "caring about the truth."
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I didn't ask anyone to do that. And I didn't make that mistake. I suspect it got canned because I took a jibe at you. So the "libruls" are actually protecting you on this forum. You should be at least a little grateful.
 
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